On May 17, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Evan wrote:
Have you ever used BBEdit a lot with the FTP feature? It is turtle-
slow. Try opening a file in BBEdit using the built-in FTP, then try
opening the same file using something like Transmit (a great app
from a great company that doesn't treat legitimate customers like
thieves). It is on the order of 10-100x slower using BBEdit. If I
have 20 FTP documents open in BBEdit, I tend to like to keep them
open, because even with the otherwise-convenient workspace feature,
it takes MINUTES to launch BBEdit and have it reopen all those
documents through FTP. Starting up and shutting down BBEdit
repeatedly to work around the fact that Bare Bones wishes to treat
paying customers like criminals is a real pain in the ass when
you've got a lot of FTP documents open.
Try it sometime, you might have a different opinion.
Evan,
I have tried it (I do it daily), and I do have a different opinion. I
actually find it quite fast, and not turtle-slow, but only in MY
specific case, which might actually be very different from yours.
Therefore, some points of confusion/clarification/curiosity:
1.) By "FTP feature" do you mean SFTP? And are you opening documents
"using File->Open from FTP/SFTP Server..." or using the always-open
"FTP/SFTP Browser"?
Personally I find the former quite slow (as you say) and the latter
quite quick, since it maintains the remote connection.
2.) By "otherwise-convenient workspace feature", what do you mean,
exactly?
I personally go to File->New->File Group to save the state of my
working document drawer, and then when shut down BBEdit, start it
back up, and open that saved File Group (which contains pointers to
exactly twenty remotely-openable SFTP documents on various Linux and
Unix boxes), it takes 43 seconds to open them all (and yes, two of
those twenty are rather large Apache log files).
I don't find 43 seconds inconvenient or turtle-slow. I do understand
that the minutes (how many, exactly? two? three? ten? fifteen?) that
it takes to open your twenty remotely-openable SFTP documents would
be very inconvenient (because that is an order of magnitude slower
than what I experience). However, I'm just quite curious for
clarification as to whether or not you are using the same operations
(SFTP Browser to open new ones, File Group to save and re-open old
ones) that I am using.
I have quite often found that people's complaints about BBEdit's
supposed slowness vis-a-vis SFTP have to do with them not knowing
about the SFTP Browser or about File Groups (because, for example,
using File->Open from FTP/SFTP Server is indeed very slow in
comparison). It is quite likely you already do know about them, and
that your twenty documents are simply larger than mine, or your
network is slower, or your remote machines are slower, or your local
Mac is slower (I have an iMac G5). If all of them are slower, then
all these factors combined could conceivably cause that order of
magnitude of difference in the amount of time required to open the
documents. Right?
-carole
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Carole E. Mah
Senior Programmer/Analyst
Scholarly Technology Group
Computing and Information Services
Brown University
http://www.stg.brown.edu/
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