> >Allan I know I'm a stroppy old sod but thats me - one more try OK > > but the basic biology message behind Soilfoodweb is sound - thats > >not going to change much. - I believe I'll stick with that - Elaine got it right first time
> So, Lloyd - You monitor Elaine's work. I ask you, given changes in > brewers (as recently as last year pumping water was held on par with > pumping air as a means of aeration), most of this info (anti pumping water) came from people selling or intending to sell brewers - where is the science ? - did any of them do comparison trials with ONLY the pumping system changed and TEST the numbers of microbes produced with each method - maybe I missed something but I did'nt see it. (I have no doubt that brewer technology has improved but there are still some of us trying to do things with equipment already on hand) I put this in the same category as the OPINION widely held by BD operators that a rotary pump is somehow inferior to a diahphram pump for pumping preps. Nobody ever provided science - such as the G forces involved internally or accelleration velocities for the various pumps - someone just decided that one was better than the other - there are tooooo many other variables involved for this to be a black and white decision. > food for brews have changed substantially - mainly because they are trying much harder to get increased fungal numbers in teas - Elaine talked at length about the type of foods for the different organisms in her original lectures - people are having a lot of fun 'finding' new food sources - but I'm sure they all conform to that basic information she gave us in 1999 > > Does this mean anything to you? This is not static work. It is not > only work that is being refined but it is also work in which, > perhaps, problems have been detected and corrections offered. > (e-coli) this is an evolving work. How does one know how to evaluate > a piece of archival data if they are operating in a vacuum. (Reading > the archive without working with the BD Now! group) The archive is a great source of basic information - can we really expect Atkinson, Willis and Lovel to come back and rehash the detailed discussions they had about horn clay and the preps - it went on for weeks and would have taken days of their time to write all that stuff > Why avoid the living organization? I really don't understand. I'm living in a vacuum and avoiding the living organisation!!????????????? and here's me thought I was almost a part of it!! Lloyd Charles
