> Wuh duh yuh mean?!?!?!!?!

Sorry, that came out awrong in type.  Meant PW Cycles sensibly stays
out of the a lot carbon fiber this and that and the 120 mm travel
forks, etc. that is S-Goat's bread and butter.

> In the eighties I was selling Gios Torino, which was about as radical
> as you could get. My sincere condolences to everyone who bought
> one. ;-)

Didn't realize that.  You see a lot of those frames converted to fixed
gear now.  Better them than a classic Masi or DeRosa (unfortunately, I
have seen some of those frames suffer in fixed ignominy)

> But these Olmo frames are not really like what was being raced in the
> sixties. A sixties racing bike could fit fenders. The chainstays were
> longer and they fit brake calipers that are now called "long reach."
> I've seen these Olmo frames at Interbike and they look to be rather
> well made. They're definitely an eighties style frame though.

Ah.  So more in that transition period when racing was shifting from
hero riders to ever changing tech and doping.

> I would avoid the horizontal rear dropout version, since all
> modern rear derailleurs are designed to be located quite accurately
> relative to the rear axle, and shifting can suffer a bit with
> horizontals since the derailleur ends up too close to the cogs unless
> you position the wheel way back in the dropouts.

The linked blog entry is not clear whether the less expensive frame
only comes with horizontals only.  As these frames would be of more
interest to the hobby than race crowd, price may be important.


On Oct 24, 9:34 am, Peter Jon White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wuh duh yuh mean?!?!?!!?!
>
> In the eighties I was selling Gios Torino, which was about as radical
> as you could get. My sincere condolences to everyone who bought
> one. ;-)
>
> But these Olmo frames are not really like what was being raced in the
> sixties. A sixties racing bike could fit fenders. The chainstays were
> longer and they fit brake calipers that are now called "long reach."
> I've seen these Olmo frames at Interbike and they look to be rather
> well made. They're definitely an eighties style frame though. It looks
> like they're using copies of the semi-vertical rear dropouts Shimano
> used to make, which I used on most of the racing frames I built in the
> 90s. I would avoid the horizontal rear dropout version, since all
> modern rear derailleurs are designed to be located quite accurately
> relative to the rear axle, and shifting can suffer a bit with
> horizontals since the derailleur ends up too close to the cogs unless
> you position the wheel way back in the dropouts.
>
> On Oct 24, 9:16 am, JoelMatthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Speedgoat's main fare is pretty far out of the Peter White ouvre.  But
> > check out what they will be carrying from Olmo (the 10/23/08 entry):
>
> >http://www.speedgoat.com/blog.asp
>
> > Lugged steel frames made in Italy with classic Italian racing
> > geometry.  Get a frame and trick it out with a Zephyr light crank and
> > some fast wheels with shimano hubs and light velocity rims, etc.
>
> > You could build a bike very close to what a '60s Italian racer would
> > have used without having to worry about ruining a classic frame and
> > parts.- Hide quoted text -
>
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