I strongly agree with India on this last point. I think that there is
a large number of people (esp. non-cyclists) out there who wouldn't
even recognize the bent-left-arm signal as a signal at all until too
late. I used to signal that way, and deliberately switched to a
straight left- or right-arm turn signal many years ago.
Best regards,
Sean
On Apr 18, 2011, at 1:01 PM, India Rose Viola wrote:
Kris,
Just to put it out there- what is confusing about having someone
signal for a right turn with their right arm extended? I think that
the right arm extended for a right turn is now a well-known
convention. It makes a lot more sense to me than the bent left arm
that was a byproduct of being in a car with only a window on the
left side to stick your arm out of.
I think it is ok have the conventions evolve to become more
efficient and straightforward for their functions.
-india
On 04/18/11, "Kristine M. Niemann" <[email protected]> wrote:
Mary, I couldn't agree more. We definitely need to revisit bike
education in the schools. I've been meaning to contact someone
about getting this in my son's school. Last week I saw I mom and
bike trailer and two kids on small bikes behind her on the left
side of the road. I had just turned onto the street they were
riding on and almost hit them. It sent a chill down my spine to
think of the tragedy of if I were a car.
also, people don't' seem to understand bike hand signals
anymore...especially for a right turn. I see a lot of the straight
arm right turn signals, and it's just confusing, since it's against
convention. Since hand signals are a split-second type of thing,
it can get confusing and dangerous when people start making up
signals.
kris
From: Mary Mullen <[email protected]>
To: Matt Logan <[email protected]>; Tom Held <[email protected]
>; "Corsi, Larry - DOT" <[email protected]>
Cc: Amanda White <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Sent: Mon, April 18, 2011 12:26:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Bikies] Off the Couch post on cyclist deaths -
vulnerable user law
One thing I’ve noticed regarding bike safety is that a number of
people – both adults and kids – ride their bikes on the left facing
traffic rather than being on the right going with traffic. I’ve
seen this on the Verona Road and Beltline frontage roads and on
ordinary Madison streets as well. Maybe some education in the
schools is called for?
On 4/18/11 11:16 AM, "Matt Logan" <[email protected]> wrote:
I know the BFW is well-intentioned in this, but a quick read of the
comments clearly demonstrated to me why the BFW is barking up the
wrong tree: Our current state leaders are likely to blame
bicyclists for their deaths when they hear these stories. I have
heard it takes repeating something seven times for a message to
sink in, so I will say it again: the BFW’s best chance of making
progress with the current administration is funding better, safer
travel for children on bicycles. I have talked to a lot of
conservatives and listened to conservative radio. They don’t value
adult bicycling enough to fund it. If you want to succeed, target
improving bicycling for children.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]
] On Behalf Of Tom Held
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 9:34 AM
To: 'Corsi, Larry - DOT'
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: [Bikies] Off the Couch post on cyclist deaths - vulnerable
user law
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/lifestyle/120010609.html
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