Call me naive, but I’m trying to figure out what the corner case is to use BIND on Windows.
For an internal network Windows Server already has a name server that integrates with AD and everything else needed to run a Windows network. Support for DDNS is a lot easier, it has tons of SRV records needed for service location, etc. It seems it would be a lot easier to use that for a Windows network than shoehorn everything in to BIND. --- Eric Germann ekgermann {at} semperen {dot} com || ekgermann {at} gmail {dot} com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericgermann <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericgermann> Twitter: @ekgermann Telegram || Signal || Phone +1 {dash} 419 {dash } 513 {dash} 0712 GPG Fingerprint: 89ED 36B3 515A 211B 6390 60A9 E30D 9B9B 3EBF F1A1 > On Jun 4, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Gregory Sloop <gr...@sloop.net> wrote: > > This feels a lot like responding to trolls, but I'll instead assume that > you're asking (or making a point) in good faith. > > So, we'll stipulate that - you're actually interested in truth and knowledge. > > So, it's easily compiled on Mac, Unix, FreeBSD, Linux, SunOS, RaspPi, etc. > And it compiles on a huge range of hardware, CPU's etc. > > I'd consider that highly portable. > > You're welcome to disagree, but then someone else will complain it's not > available in Amiga, Atari and under Dos and complain it isn't "portable" > because there's no dos version. > > So how many platforms do you have to support, to call it portable? > (I've always thought of "portable" code, in this context especially, as code > that is kept open so it will fairly easily compile on any *nix/posix platform > without too much drama. And I think that's a pretty universal understanding > for *nix style code.) > > So, it seems you are tilting at windmills, complaining about Windows only. > > Yes, the fundamentals of Windows are *VERY* different than any > Linux/Unix/Solaris etc based platform. As such, making it work across all > those platforms is really quite a lot of work. > (Making it work fine, even on the future supported platforms (*nix) isn't > trivial - obviously adding Windows to the mix is far, far more!) > > And, it seems like no-one has stepped up to commit the $$$ needed to keep > that support going. > Even a cheap dev probably charges $100+ an hour. How many hours/dollars do > you think, in aggregate, is committed to keeping Windows support? It's not > going to be like buying a $3 app for your phone - since the market for > Windows users is far smaller. > > And, I suspect, if we reach the end of the road for Windows support, and > there's a half million users out there that want BIND supported on Windows, > and they'll all pledge a buck a year, than I'd expect that Windows support > will roll right out. > > But if instead there's 100 people willing to pledge even $100 a year, well > I'd guess that's not likely to pay for it. > > ISC manages to pay the people who write code and do support through support > contracts. Do you have one of those? > > So the last option is; > You, or someone else to simply give away their time for free. > You up for that? > If you're not, or you don't have that skill set, then complaining bitterly > seems a little hypocritical. > > ISC already releases a huge set of software that you almost certainly use > every single day (DHCP server and clients, along with BIND) and they aren't > charging you a dime for that use. They're not charging your ISP either, or a > ton of other people. So, IMO, they've really done a ton of free work for the > community already. > > But it seems like you think it's not enough. > > Sigh. > What. Can. I. Say. > ISC does a lot of really good work. > IMO, this kind of a complaint is really misplaced. > > And to be clear, I won't engage in a bunch of back-and-forth arguing this > position. You're welcome to agree or not. > But *I* think you're obviously wrong, and I want everyone at ISC who does all > that good work, developing great software that they let us use for free that > I really appreciate their work. > > -Greg > > > > PC> What I find ironic is that here: > > PC> https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/-/blob/main/README.md > <https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/-/blob/main/README.md> > > PC> the very first line says: > > PC> "BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) is a complete, highly portable > PC> implementation of the Domain Name System (DNS) protocol." > > PC> If this were truly the case, BIND would work on Windows (or any other > PC> platform that doesn't have a "u" in it's name) with minimal effort > PC> and would not require specific funding to adapt it to any particular > PC> platform. > > PC> Can we please have a realistic definition of what BIND is and what > PC> it's objectives are? > > PC> I for one would be more likely to contribute to the development of > PC> a non-platform-specific, portable BIND than a single-platform-specific > PC> one. > > PC> On the other hand, if it has already been decided that BIND can only > PC> realistically be implemented in the *u* arena and will rely on > PC> facilities only available in this arena, then shouldn't this be stated > PC> clearly instead of also declaring that it is highly portable? > > PC> Regards, > PC> Peter Coghlan. > > > >> Do you understand how ironic is for you to complain about “subscription is > >> not going to happen” while **every** email on the mailing list has this > >> note in the footer: > > >> ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. > >> Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ <https://www.isc.org/contact/> > >> for more information. > > >> -- > >> Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him) > > >> My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not > >> feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours. > > >>> On 4. 6. 2021, at 19:47, Peter via bind-users <bind-users@lists.isc.org > >>> <mailto:bind-users@lists.isc.org>> wrote: > > >>> > >>> On 04/06/2021 6:05 pm, John Thurston wrote: > > >>>>> On 6/4/2021 8:48 AM, Peter via bind-users wrote: > >>>>> When people find out2024 is the year bind is no longer supported for > >>>>> windows people aregoing to be upset this all seems to be done quietly > >>>>> nothing posted on the the isc.org site about this just how many people > >>>>> depend on bind for windows will be shocking. > > >>>> And griping about the decision on the mailing list is annoying. > > >>>> If you want to alter the decision, bring something new to the > >>>> discussion. Funding to pay for the windows development team? Logistical > >>>> support for the project? > > >>>> Anything constructive will be better received than repeating "I don't > >>>> like your decision". > > >>> Yes John Thurston I said about a subscription here which I guess will not > >>> happen if they made up thier mind its likly no going to happen. > > >>> Deprecating BIND 9.18+ on Windows (or making it community improved and > >>> supported (isc.org) > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users > >>> <https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users> to unsubscribe from > >>> this list > > >>> ISC funds the development of this software with paid support > >>> subscriptions. 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