What I’ve heard is that the geoip/maxmindb is the deal breaker,
but on general level, I concur that MS-DNS is a good choice for
Windows Server deployments.
I am a big fan of picking the right tool for the job.
Ondrej
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> On 4. 6. 2021, at 23:31, Eric Germann via bind-users
> <bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote:
>
> Call me naive, but I’m trying to figure out what the corner case is to use
> BIND on Windows.
>
> For an internal network Windows Server already has a name server that
> integrates with AD and everything else needed to run a Windows network.
> Support for DDNS is a lot easier, it has tons of SRV records needed for
> service location, etc. It seems it would be a lot easier to use that for a
> Windows network than shoehorn everything in to BIND.
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>> On Jun 4, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Gregory Sloop <gr...@sloop.net> wrote:
>>
>> This feels a lot like responding to trolls, but I'll instead assume that
>> you're asking (or making a point) in good faith.
>>
>> So, we'll stipulate that - you're actually interested in truth and knowledge.
>>
>> So, it's easily compiled on Mac, Unix, FreeBSD, Linux, SunOS, RaspPi, etc.
>> And it compiles on a huge range of hardware, CPU's etc.
>>
>> I'd consider that highly portable.
>>
>> You're welcome to disagree, but then someone else will complain it's not
>> available in Amiga, Atari and under Dos and complain it isn't "portable"
>> because there's no dos version.
>>
>> So how many platforms do you have to support, to call it portable?
>> (I've always thought of "portable" code, in this context especially, as code
>> that is kept open so it will fairly easily compile on any *nix/posix
>> platform without too much drama. And I think that's a pretty universal
>> understanding for *nix style code.)
>>
>> So, it seems you are tilting at windmills, complaining about Windows only.
>>
>> Yes, the fundamentals of Windows are *VERY* different than any
>> Linux/Unix/Solaris etc based platform. As such, making it work across all
>> those platforms is really quite a lot of work.
>> (Making it work fine, even on the future supported platforms (*nix) isn't
>> trivial - obviously adding Windows to the mix is far, far more!)
>>
>> And, it seems like no-one has stepped up to commit the $$$ needed to keep
>> that support going.
>> Even a cheap dev probably charges $100+ an hour. How many hours/dollars do
>> you think, in aggregate, is committed to keeping Windows support? It's not
>> going to be like buying a $3 app for your phone - since the market for
>> Windows users is far smaller.
>>
>> And, I suspect, if we reach the end of the road for Windows support, and
>> there's a half million users out there that want BIND supported on Windows,
>> and they'll all pledge a buck a year, than I'd expect that Windows support
>> will roll right out.
>>
>> But if instead there's 100 people willing to pledge even $100 a year, well
>> I'd guess that's not likely to pay for it.
>>
>> ISC manages to pay the people who write code and do support through support
>> contracts. Do you have one of those?
>>
>> So the last option is;
>> You, or someone else to simply give away their time for free.
>> You up for that?
>> If you're not, or you don't have that skill set, then complaining bitterly
>> seems a little hypocritical.
>>
>> ISC already releases a huge set of software that you almost certainly use
>> every single day (DHCP server and clients, along with BIND) and they aren't
>> charging you a dime for that use. They're not charging your ISP either, or a
>> ton of other people. So, IMO, they've really done a ton of free work for the
>> community already.
>>
>> But it seems like you think it's not enough.
>>
>> Sigh.
>> What. Can. I. Say.
>> ISC does a lot of really good work.
>> IMO, this kind of a complaint is really misplaced.
>>
>> And to be clear, I won't engage in a bunch of back-and-forth arguing this
>> position. You're welcome to agree or not.
>> But *I* think you're obviously wrong, and I want everyone at ISC who does
>> all that good work, developing great software that they let us use for free
>> that I really appreciate their work.
>>
>> -Greg
>>
>>
>>
>> PC> What I find ironic is that here:
>>
>> PC> https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/-/blob/main/README.md
>>
>> PC> the very first line says:
>>
>> PC> "BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) is a complete, highly portable
>> PC> implementation of the Domain Name System (DNS) protocol."
>>
>> PC> If this were truly the case, BIND would work on Windows (or any other
>> PC> platform that doesn't have a "u" in it's name) with minimal effort
>> PC> and would not require specific funding to adapt it to any particular
>> PC> platform.
>>
>> PC> Can we please have a realistic definition of what BIND is and what
>> PC> it's objectives are?
>>
>> PC> I for one would be more likely to contribute to the development of
>> PC> a non-platform-specific, portable BIND than a single-platform-specific
>> PC> one.
>>
>> PC> On the other hand, if it has already been decided that BIND can only
>> PC> realistically be implemented in the *u* arena and will rely on
>> PC> facilities only available in this arena, then shouldn't this be stated
>> PC> clearly instead of also declaring that it is highly portable?
>>
>> PC> Regards,
>> PC> Peter Coghlan.
>>
>>
>> >> Do you understand how ironic is for you to complain about “subscription is
>> >> not going to happen” while **every** email on the mailing list has this
>> >> note in the footer:
>>
>> >> ISC funds the development of this software with paid support
>> >> subscriptions.
>> >> Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information.
>>
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>> >> Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him)
>>
>> >> My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not
>> >> feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours.
>>
>> >>> On 4. 6. 2021, at 19:47, Peter via bind-users <bind-users@lists.isc.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 04/06/2021 6:05 pm, John Thurston wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> On 6/4/2021 8:48 AM, Peter via bind-users wrote:
>> >>>>> When people find out2024 is the year bind is no longer supported for
>> >>>>> windows people aregoing to be upset this all seems to be done quietly
>> >>>>> nothing posted on the the isc.org site about this just how many people
>> >>>>> depend on bind for windows will be shocking.
>>
>> >>>> And griping about the decision on the mailing list is annoying.
>>
>> >>>> If you want to alter the decision, bring something new to the
>> >>>> discussion. Funding to pay for the windows development team? Logistical
>> >>>> support for the project?
>>
>> >>>> Anything constructive will be better received than repeating "I don't
>> >>>> like your decision".
>>
>> >>> Yes John Thurston I said about a subscription here which I guess will
>> >>> not happen if they made up thier mind its likly no going to happen.
>>
>> >>> Deprecating BIND 9.18+ on Windows (or making it community improved and
>> >>> supported (isc.org)
>>
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