On Tuesday 22 January 2002 16:10, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-01-22 at 08:20, Bo Thorsen wrote:
> > So? The Xinerama idea of creating a single logical screen out of multiple
> > simply does not work well for desktop usage.
>
> Sure it does, I use Xinerama every day. Two 19inch monitors both
> running at 1280x1024 for a single 2560x1024 screen.
Lucky guy :-)
> > Unfortunately Xinerama is the
> > only way to achieve a good desktop when using two monitors; starting two
> > X servers is only one light gray box better than having two separate
> > machines.
>
> And Blacbox's current support of Xinerama is fine.
That depends on the definition of Xinerama support. You say it's fine, others
that some things are missing.
> > From the HOWTO:
>
> (snip)
>
> > This is all correct. It doesn't matter what Xinerama authors or Bill
> > Gates or your grandmother might think about Xinerama usage.
>
> No need to degrade to juvenile arguments.
Sorry about that.
> > This HOWTO describes what
> > the sane approach for a desktop windowmanager is. I doubt that you have
> > ever actually worked with a Xinerama desktop on two monitors with a wm
> > that doesn't support it. I suggest you try it before you bitch about not
> > putting in obvious features.
>
> First, I do use Xinerama every day, as indicated above. If it would
> make you happy I'll make screen-shots available for you (or anyone else
> that would like). Second, if by "a wm that doesn't support it" you mean
> Blackbox, I do use Blackbox on the Xinerama system.
>
> > This is what Sawfish - and similarly for KWin now, I believe -
> > implemented (again from the HOWTO):
>
> So, because it's done by Sawfish and/or KWin, it should now be done by
> Blackbox?
No need to degrade to juvenile arguments. (scnr)
No. Because you are the first user of Xinerama I have ever met that seems to
think that the present behaviour is enough. Everyone else I have talked to
says that the way KWin, Sawfish, Windowmaker, Enlightenment... does it is
more useful and more intuitive.
This reminds me of the discussion on bbkeys window toggling sequence
discussion. It took a looong time before it was finally done the right way.
> > Please guys, review the patch. It's the right thing to do, the question
> > is only how to do it. If the patch has technical issues, these can be
> > solved.
>
> Certainly the patch should be reviewed, but whether or not it's included
> should be based not on supposed Xinerama support for Blackbox, but
> rather whether artificial boundaries are something that should be
> included in Blackbox. After all, that is what the patch does.
Exactly! And this is what IMHO is the right way to do it. The reason I listed
the Sawfish implementation notes is that these shows real annoyances for
users and one way to implement it is by a boundary down between the two
monitors. Do you not think that these issues are annoying:
" * Preventing Windows from being mapped across heads
* Preventing Windows from being mapped in dead spots
* Edge resistance moving between heads
* Centered and Random placement modes place windows on the current Head"
3 should be optional along with normal edge resistance. But how do you
propose to solve 1 and 2? And do you use edge resistance normally?
Bo.
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