Sounds good. -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@iburst.co.za>
To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software
Well, I definitely managed to use it to boot from the live vinux CD, but I didn't go much further than that.Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopher...@googlemail.com>To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC softwareIn fact, Microsoft Virtual PC isn't supposed to work with Linux guests. -- Chris Hallsworth E-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Redding" <jredd...@mchsi.com>To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC softwareI don't understand what you are doing with the Microsoft Virtual PCsoftware in using with VINUX. Can you explain just a little. I am aquainted with VINUX so know what it is all about. Just don't know why you are usingthe Microsoft Virtual PC software with it. Thanks Jim At 08:22 PM 5/4/2009 +0200, you wrote:It's a modification to Ubuntu linux which already has a built in screenreader called Orca to fine tune/make it automatically render accessible from startup etc. Check out that website: http://vinux.org.uk/ It will give you a better idea. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'----- Original Message ----- From: "Trepan Singh" <ts.neg...@gmail.com>To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC softwareHello, what's vinux? Please tell me the usage. Thanks Regards Trepan Singh -----Original Message----- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com[mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald MarangSent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:45 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software Good afternoon Jacob (at least in your time zone),Perhaps I made a typo, I have not scanned past messages. The proper keyto bring up the Vinux menu is Left Alt + F1! Sorry, if I wasted a lot of yourtime. The Left Alt + F2 keystroke will certainly bring up a run dialog, similar to the Windows + r in Windows. Of course, in Vinux, you wouldneed to type in a Linux command.Back to the subject line. I had not realized that the Microsoft emulatorthat you first discussed was a new product. I was too concentrated on Vinuxat the time. Some experts I follow say this emulator is much better than VM-Ware or Parallels, which have been around a long time. In fact, I hear Microsoft plans on making this technology part of their legacy support for XP and prior versions in the future. What is your impressions of it sofar? Have you used it for any other OS than Vinux? Don Marang----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@iburst.co.za>To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC softwareOk.Been trying out various things like leaving jaws on, or turning it off, tried different keyboards like my external USB keyboard, and the laptops own keyboard, and no matter what I do, like even tapping things like the Ctrl key multiple times, all I get when I try either left or right altkeys in conjunction with F2 is the run dialogue, and other keys also seemtot get stuck sometimes like a shift key, etc. etc., and, for example no matter what I do, I can't seem to type backslash, since it renders as thenumber symbol, which doesn't even make sense since if it was just the shift key being virtually stuck, it should then render as |, so who knows. Think this is also hence interfering with even accessing menus on specificwindows since can't seem to find a file menu, for example, when browsingthe home folder using Ctrl + Shift + H. Will just again say that not too impressed with VMWare, but anyway. Might have to try this on another computer to see if that makes a difference, but let's see... Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com>To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC softwareNot quite sure why your keys are acting that way.After activating any menu, I am able to use the standard arrow keys to move up and down through menus and right arrow to enter a sub menu and left menu to return from a sub menu. In the Vinux-desktop.txt file, it claims that increasing the speed is bound to the Insert + right arrow keys. It sounds like your Insert key is stuck! I have never had that key stick. Perhaps it is because JAWS has been turned off? That might change how the system handles the Insert key. I have not had to turnoffJAWS.I assume that by the fact that you were able to login that you had used the Control + g keystroke to allow all keys, including modifier keys tobe directed to VM-Ware Player. This should stop JAWS from receivingthese keystrokes or speaking. It should not be necessary to quit JAWS.Don Marang----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@iburst.co.za>To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC softwareOk. Now managed to log into VMWare machine using username/password combination, so thanks for that one,but I assume jaws is catching key combos so will try turning it off orsomething and will then see if can access something like the Ubuntu/vinux menu system. Note:Just turned off jaws, and using the left Alt key in conjunction withF2,it seemed to activate the main part of the menu, but you seem to havetouse the numpad cursor keys to start navigating it since normal cursor keys seem to be bound to orca settings like faster/slower etc., and for some reason I can't get any submenu items to appear, but will carry onplaying around with it.Also seem unable to do something like minimize/hide the orca settingsdialogue. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com>To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC softwareFor anyone using Vinux in an emulator and can get to the username prompt: The only account I am aware of in this distribution when first startingis"vinux" (all lowercase) for both the Username and Password. I justtried it twice. The first time it would give a beep when I typed each characterand the second time it did not provide any feedback. Perhaps this was because I had Magic running the first time. By the way, There is abig Ubuntu spelled across the login screen.Do not expect to hear the letters when entering either the Username or Password. The guy that packaged the Vinux distribution says there iscurrently no way around this limitation. After a few seconds the Vinux desktop appears and Orca starts speaking! It is useful to know that the left Alt + F1 key takes you too the Vinux menus at the very top of the screen. It contains an Applications, Places and System menus. Programs like Open Office an Firefox can be launchedfrom the Applications menu. I was disappointed that all of the drives that were mounted automatically and available in the Places menu withtheLive CD were not configured here. Look in the Vinux folder for textfilesdescribing most of the key bindings. The System menu allows you toset preferences and shutdown.The applications key, like in Windows, often provides useful options.I have trouble remembering that the Enter key on the keypad is not the same as the Return key on the main keyboard. The Enter key instead announces where you are! Somewhat like a more verbose version of theJAWS + Tab function. With the VMWare Player I found the following:1. When I first start the program I get a dialog telling me there isanupdate to VMWare Player. So far I have just pressed Tab to get to theCancel button and activated it.2. Then I get a dialog that does not work with the JAWS PC cursor.Itlets you select a new file by browsing, picking a recently opened fileordownloading a new distribution. I use the JAWS cursor to find Vinuxinthe recently opened section and clicking on it. I believe the firsttimeI had to use the browse button. I may be able to create a shortcut onmy desktop that passes the filename on the command line. 3. Then a dialog appears to explain how the hardware is shared between the emulator and Windows. So far I have just pressed Enter. 4. Vinux now starts booting in the window.5. To turn control of the keyboard to Vinux (or any other operatingsystem in VMWare Player), press Control + g.6. to switch back to windows, press Control + Alt together. This isastrange combination, since they both are just modifier keys. I would think that would limit any Control + Alt + any other key combinationsfrombeing used in Vinux. I have not seen any such combination needed yet.I have had a slight problem where either the Control or Alt key gets stuck after returning to Windows and JAWS. I normally press Escape afterwardsto check if either key is stuck. If it is, I press the right Controland Alt keys again to release the stuck key. Hope these tidbits help. Don Marang----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@iburst.co.za>To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC softwareOk.Downloaded it and tried it out, and it seems to work Ok, except that again, after I hear Orca saying I must enter a username and password,nothing seems to happen, but will test it a bit more, etc.Also did stop jaws once I told it to start, but should maybe stop itbefore even trying to open it as well - will test it a bit more. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com>To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC softwareHi Jacob,Have you tried the virtual machine at the Vinux site? It is called, "Vinux_Virtual_Edition_1.4.exe" and is configured for Vinux. Readtheaccompanying text file for details. Go to the downloads page at:http://vinux.org.uk/ Don MarangPS I hear a new exciting distribution of Ubuntu, the Linux variantonwhich Vinux is based has just come out! It is Ubuntu 2.0. I haveheardgreat things from several PC experts. I wonder if a Vinux 2.0 willbe available soon?----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@iburst.co.za>To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:07 AM Subject: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC softwareHas anyone tested MS's own VMWare product? It's called Microsoft Virtual PC FWIW.It's free, and the configuration wizard etc. seem pretty usable,but willhave to either try find a valid VPC image that's already had an OSinstalled, or maybe get a sighted person to try help me, for example,install something like Vinux, or an older MS Os so I can see if Ican, for example, try out their screenreader utilisation, but I think it should work since in my first test run, I could tell it the new VPC I was configuring would think it had a sound blaster card etc. Anyway, here's the details/download page:http://www.microsoft.com:80/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=28C97D22-6EB8-4A09-A7F7-F6C7A1F000B5&displaylang=enFWIW, once I start up my virtual pc machine, I do need to use thejaws cursor to get to some of the activity menus, but not really a problem.Ok, while typing this message, I realised I was being stoopid, so Istartedthe VPC, and told it to mount the Vinux live CD image and then toldit torestart/reboot, and it did seem to be virtually booting up from theCD image since I heard the sound prompt to hit enter to make it start runningin live mode, so will have to test it a bit more - LOL!For those who don't know, Vinux is a modified/tweaked version ofUbuntulinux that automatically makes things like the Orca screenreaderstart,and has also, apparently, had it's whole user interface tweaked tosuit us better. 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