Hello, what's vinux? Please tell me the usage. Thanks Regards Trepan Singh -----Original Message----- From: blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:blind-computing-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Donald Marang Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:45 PM To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software
Good afternoon Jacob (at least in your time zone), Perhaps I made a typo, I have not scanned past messages. The proper key to bring up the Vinux menu is Left Alt + F1! Sorry, if I wasted a lot of your time. The Left Alt + F2 keystroke will certainly bring up a run dialog, similar to the Windows + r in Windows. Of course, in Vinux, you would need to type in a Linux command. Back to the subject line. I had not realized that the Microsoft emulator that you first discussed was a new product. I was too concentrated on Vinux at the time. Some experts I follow say this emulator is much better than VM-Ware or Parallels, which have been around a long time. In fact, I hear Microsoft plans on making this technology part of their legacy support for XP and prior versions in the future. What is your impressions of it so far? Have you used it for any other OS than Vinux? Don Marang ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@iburst.co.za> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software > Ok. > > Been trying out various things like leaving jaws on, or turning it off, > tried different keyboards like my external USB keyboard, and the laptops > own keyboard, and no matter what I do, like even tapping things like the > Ctrl key multiple times, all I get when I try either left or right alt > keys in conjunction with F2 is the run dialogue, and other keys also seemt > ot get stuck sometimes like a shift key, etc. etc., and, for example no > matter what I do, I can't seem to type backslash, since it renders as the > number symbol, which doesn't even make sense since if it was just the > shift key being virtually stuck, it should then render as |, so who knows. > > Think this is also hence interfering with even accessing menus on specific > windows since can't seem to find a file menu, for example, when browsing > the home folder using Ctrl + Shift + H. > > Will just again say that not too impressed with VMWare, but anyway. > > Might have to try this on another computer to see if that makes a > difference, but let's see... > > Stay well > > Jacob Kruger > Blind Biker > Skype: BlindZA > '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com> > To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software > > >> Not quite sure why your keys are acting that way. >> >> After activating any menu, I am able to use the standard arrow keys to >> move up and down through menus and right arrow to enter a sub menu and >> left menu to return from a sub menu. In the Vinux-desktop.txt file, it >> claims that increasing the speed is bound to the Insert + right arrow >> keys. It sounds like your Insert key is stuck! I have never had that >> key stick. Perhaps it is because JAWS has been turned off? That might >> change how the system handles the Insert key. I have not had to turn off >> JAWS. >> >> I assume that by the fact that you were able to login that you had used >> the Control + g keystroke to allow all keys, including modifier keys to >> be directed to VM-Ware Player. This should stop JAWS from receiving >> these keystrokes or speaking. It should not be necessary to quit JAWS. >> >> Don Marang >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@iburst.co.za> >> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 3:37 AM >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >> >> >>> Ok. >>> >>> Now managed to log into VMWare machine using username/password >>> combination, so thanks for that one, >>> but I assume jaws is catching key combos so will try turning it off or >>> something and will then see if can access something like the >>> Ubuntu/vinux >>> menu system. >>> >>> Note: >>> Just turned off jaws, and using the left Alt key in conjunction with F2, >>> it seemed to activate the main part of the menu, but you seem to have to >>> use the numpad cursor keys to start navigating it since normal cursor >>> keys seem to be bound to orca settings like faster/slower etc., and for >>> some reason I can't get any submenu items to appear, but will carry on >>> playing around with it. >>> >>> Also seem unable to do something like minimize/hide the orca settings >>> dialogue. >>> >>> Stay well >>> >>> Jacob Kruger >>> Blind Biker >>> Skype: BlindZA >>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com> >>> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>> >>> >>>> For anyone using Vinux in an emulator and can get to the username >>>> prompt: >>>> The only account I am aware of in this distribution when first starting >>>> is >>>> "vinux" (all lowercase) for both the Username and Password. I just >>>> tried >>>> it twice. The first time it would give a beep when I typed each >>>> character >>>> and the second time it did not provide any feedback. Perhaps this was >>>> because I had Magic running the first time. By the way, There is a big >>>> Ubuntu spelled across the login screen. >>>> >>>> Do not expect to hear the letters when entering either the Username or >>>> Password. The guy that packaged the Vinux distribution says there is >>>> currently no way around this limitation. >>>> >>>> After a few seconds the Vinux desktop appears and Orca starts speaking! >>>> >>>> It is useful to know that the left Alt + F1 key takes you too the Vinux >>>> menus at the very top of the screen. It contains an Applications, >>>> Places >>>> and System menus. Programs like Open Office an Firefox can be launched >>>> from the Applications menu. I was disappointed that all of the drives >>>> that were mounted automatically and available in the Places menu with >>>> the >>>> Live CD were not configured here. Look in the Vinux folder for text >>>> files >>>> describing most of the key bindings. The System menu allows you to set >>>> preferences and shutdown. >>>> >>>> The applications key, like in Windows, often provides useful options. >>>> >>>> I have trouble remembering that the Enter key on the keypad is not the >>>> same as the Return key on the main keyboard. The Enter key instead >>>> announces where you are! Somewhat like a more verbose version of the >>>> JAWS >>>> + Tab function. >>>> >>>> With the VMWare Player I found the following: >>>> >>>> 1. When I first start the program I get a dialog telling me there is >>>> an >>>> update to VMWare Player. So far I have just pressed Tab to get to the >>>> Cancel button and activated it. >>>> >>>> 2. Then I get a dialog that does not work with the JAWS PC cursor. It >>>> lets you select a new file by browsing, picking a recently opened file >>>> or >>>> downloading a new distribution. I use the JAWS cursor to find Vinux in >>>> the recently opened section and clicking on it. I believe the first >>>> time >>>> I had to use the browse button. I may be able to create a shortcut on >>>> my >>>> desktop that passes the filename on the command line. >>>> >>>> 3. Then a dialog appears to explain how the hardware is shared between >>>> the emulator and Windows. So far I have just pressed Enter. >>>> >>>> 4. Vinux now starts booting in the window. >>>> >>>> 5. To turn control of the keyboard to Vinux (or any other operating >>>> system in VMWare Player), press Control + g. >>>> >>>> 6. to switch back to windows, press Control + Alt together. This is a >>>> strange combination, since they both are just modifier keys. I would >>>> think that would limit any Control + Alt + any other key combinations >>>> from >>>> being used in Vinux. I have not seen any such combination needed yet. >>>> I >>>> have had a slight problem where either the Control or Alt key gets >>>> stuck >>>> after returning to Windows and JAWS. I normally press Escape >>>> afterwards >>>> to check if either key is stuck. If it is, I press the right Control >>>> and >>>> Alt keys again to release the stuck key. >>>> >>>> Hope these tidbits help. >>>> >>>> Don Marang >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@iburst.co.za> >>>> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 5:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ok. >>>>> >>>>> Downloaded it and tried it out, and it seems to work Ok, except that >>>>> again, after I hear Orca saying I must enter a username and password, >>>>> nothing seems to happen, but will test it a bit more, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Also did stop jaws once I told it to start, but should maybe stop it >>>>> before even trying to open it as well - will test it a bit more. >>>>> >>>>> Stay well >>>>> >>>>> Jacob Kruger >>>>> Blind Biker >>>>> Skype: BlindZA >>>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Donald Marang" <donald.mar...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 6:49 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jacob, >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you tried the virtual machine at the Vinux site? It is called, >>>>>> "Vinux_Virtual_Edition_1.4.exe" and is configured for Vinux. Read >>>>>> the >>>>>> accompanying text file for details. Go to the downloads page at: >>>>>> http://vinux.org.uk/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Don Marang >>>>>> >>>>>> PS I hear a new exciting distribution of Ubuntu, the Linux variant on >>>>>> which Vinux is based has just come out! It is Ubuntu 2.0. I have >>>>>> heard >>>>>> great things from several PC experts. I wonder if a Vinux 2.0 will >>>>>> be >>>>>> available soon? >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <jac...@iburst.co.za> >>>>>> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 7:07 AM >>>>>> Subject: [Blind-Computing] Microsoft Virtual PC software >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Has anyone tested MS's own VMWare product? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's called Microsoft Virtual PC FWIW. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's free, and the configuration wizard etc. seem pretty usable, but >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> have to either try find a valid VPC image that's already had an OS >>>>>>> installed, or maybe get a sighted person to try help me, for >>>>>>> example, >>>>>>> install something like Vinux, or an older MS Os so I can see if I >>>>>>> can, >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> example, try out their screenreader utilisation, but I think it >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> since in my first test run, I could tell it the new VPC I was >>>>>>> configuring >>>>>>> would think it had a sound blaster card etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, here's the details/download page: >>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com:80/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=28C97D22-6EB8-4A 09-A7F7-F6C7A1F000B5&displaylang=en >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FWIW, once I start up my virtual pc machine, I do need to use the >>>>>>> jaws >>>>>>> cursor to get to some of the activity menus, but not really a >>>>>>> problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, while typing this message, I realised I was being stoopid, so I >>>>>>> started >>>>>>> the VPC, and told it to mount the Vinux live CD image and then told >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> restart/reboot, and it did seem to be virtually booting up from the >>>>>>> CD >>>>>>> image >>>>>>> since I heard the sound prompt to hit enter to make it start running >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> live >>>>>>> mode, so will have to test it a bit more - LOL! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For those who don't know, Vinux is a modified/tweaked version of >>>>>>> Ubuntu >>>>>>> linux that automatically makes things like the Orca screenreader >>>>>>> start, >>>>>>> and has also, apparently, had it's whole user interface tweaked to >>>>>>> suit >>>>>>> us better. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stay well >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jacob Kruger >>>>>>> Blind Biker >>>>>>> Skype: BlindZA >>>>>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>>> signature >>>>>>> database 4047 (20090430) __________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>>> signature database 4047 (20090430) __________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.eset.c >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>>> signature database 4048 (20090501) __________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>> signature database 4048 (20090501) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>> signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4051 (20090504) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
