This is not true. I am on a lap top right now with a 104 keyboard using the lap top lay out. This way I can use either the caps lock or the zero on the number pad for the jaws modifier key. David Ferrin Always be yourself because the people that matter don't mind, and the ones that mind don't matter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madison Espinoza" <wysiwy...@charter.net> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Keyboard Layout
oops, I forgot. If you're using a laptop and want to use a regular 104 key keyboard you will have to configure jaws to use the desktop keyboard layout. Very easy to do. -M W7HP32bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madison Espinoza" <wysiwy...@charter.net> To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Keyboard Layout > You might try attaching a normal USB wired or wireless 104 key keyboard > before doing any of this as these are complex modifications for a newer > computer user. It might get a bit messy if you find you cannot do certain > things because you disabled certain functions in the bios. An external USB > keyboard will cost you about $15. > > -M > W7HP32bit > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dgcnc" <dg...@bellsouth.net> > To: <blind-computing@jaws-users.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 6:41 PM > Subject: [Blind-Computing] Keyboard Layout > > >> Scorpio, >> >> By using your suggestions, I have determined that the right two keys are >> alt and control because one goes into the Ribbons and the other stops >> speech. So, I will find the applications key with sighted help and the >> insert key too. Your tip about changing the function keys in Setup is >> very much appreciated! I have hated this computer since day 1 because I >> thought I was stuck with that among a few other things. But, if I keep >> tweaking it, I may come to be friends with it yet. I have to find a >> sighted person tomorrow whose not afraid of computers! >> >> Greg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scorpio Forever >> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:18 PM >> To: blind-computing@jaws-users.com >> Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] Opening Attachments in Windows Mail >> >> Hi Greg, >> >> Those two keys may very well be a second alt key, with the applications >> key >> to the right of it, or it could very well be a control key. >> >> As others have said, if you press insert+1 on the number row, this will >> turn >> on keyboard help, and you'll be able to press those keys to hear what >> jaws >> calls them. If they are in fact an alt and applications key, Jaws will >> report them as such. >> >> On the other hand, if they are an alt and control key, Jaws may not >> report >> the control key, so a trick to get Jaws to report what that key is is to >> press it in conjunction with another key or two, for example, press down >> that key in addition to the insert and one of the letter keys, and Jaws >> will >> report the three keys you've just pressed. >> >> Once you're done, you can, as others have said, press insert+1 on the >> number >> row to turn off the keyboard help. >> >> I should warn you of a couple of things, keeping in mind that this is >> only a >> warning, and not actual facts for your particular model laptop. >> >> On some laptops, just as one some desktop keyboards, there is no >> applications key, and so a person is forced to use the key combination of >> shift+F10, or the applications key may be placed somewhere else on the >> keyboard. The same goes for the second alt key, which may be replaced >> with >> the second insert key, or, as in my case, the only insert key. >> >> Just to give you some idea of what I am talking about, on the left side >> of >> the my spacebar, I have the traditional three keys of control, FN and alt >> keys, but instead of having the Windows key, I have a grav/tilde key to >> the >> right of the left alt key, so, I am constantly pressing that key when I >> should be pressing the key directly to the left of it when I want the alt >> key to activate a menu or some other function that involves the alt key. >> >> On the right side of my spacebar, I have a totally different >> configuration >> than I've ever seen before. >> >> The key directly to the right of my spacebar is the insert key, followed >> by >> the delete key, directly after that one, and the alt key directly after >> that >> one. >> >> Now, where, on most laptops, the insert key and delete keys would be >> located >> at the top right-hand corner of the laptop keyboard, I have my >> Windows/Start >> Menu key and my applications key. Oh and just because you asked, a >> sighted >> person would see an icon of a vertical rectangle with lines crossing the >> rectangle horizontally to indicate a menu on the applications key, just >> in >> case you will be getting sighted assistance. Another configuration I've >> seen is the use of the arrow keys as the delete and applications key >> using >> the FN key to activate them, as is the case with Netbooks with the really >> compact keyboards. In essence, there are different configurations of >> keyboards out there, so don't be surprised if your keyboard isn't what >> others are saying it is. >> >> And while we're on the topic of sighted assistance, if you would like to >> turn off that pesky feature of having to press the FN key every time you >> wish to activate a normal function command from 1 through 12, have your >> sighted friend observe the screen as your laptop is re-booting, or read >> the >> manual that accompanied your laptop to find out which key you have to >> press >> to go into the laptop set-up screen. In most cases, this sort of message >> will appear in print right before the Windows logo screen pops up, and >> right >> after the Ram check is done. You'll see a statement to the effect of >> press >> this key to enter setup mode. On most laptops, it's the delete key, but >> I >> have seen the left control key a couple of function keys and one time, >> the >> backspace key used, but, as I said, in most cases, it will be the delete >> key >> to enter set-up. >> >> Once in the set-up screen, or BIOS, as it's traditionally called, you'll >> find the second where you can switch how the function keys operate. For >> some strange reason, laptop manufacturers have opted to go with the >> higher >> functions on the traditional F1 through F12 keys as those typically >> control >> screen functions, making them brighter, switching to an external monitor >> or >> projector and so on, but they forget that us blind folks need those >> functions keys in order to use our computer effectively. >> >> I mean, imagine having to press four keys at once just to accomplish a >> task? >> LOL. >> >> Anyway, suffice it to say, once he's done changing the function key >> scheme, >> make sure to click or highlight the exit and save changes option before >> you >> close the screen out, or the settings will not stick. >> >> In any case, hope I've given you something to think about and help you. >> >> Scorpio >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
