That also means knowing what operating system is used by a provider since that will determine what if any screen reader is avilable for that operating system and the name of the screen reader on that operating system is essential. My smart tv uses talkback but verizon set top box has another screen reader on it.
-- Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Jude and everyone, > > The same also goes for cable tv replacement and other video apps. We've > used Disney Plus, Apple TV, Amazon Prime Video, Microsoft Edge, and Peacock > TV successfully with Narrator. It's not cool when you ask a technician to > install this or that app on your Xbox only to find that it doesn't work with > Narrator. It's a waste of your time and theirs. > > Peter Donahue > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: blind-gamers@groups.io <blind-gamers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jude > DaShiell > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 7:28 PM > To: blind-gamers@groups.io > Cc: Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] XBox and Company > > For the screen reader users among us, in the gaming console microsoft > specific case potential buyers need to check for narrator-accessible and that > gets it specific. I have no clue what ps5 uses for a screen reader so that > may be a different term to check for when buying those games. > When developers and console providers start loosing sales since > specific-accessible terms fare undisclosed or fail to materialize in > performance in specific-accessible use cases maybe some of them will start to > get a clue. > > -- > Jude <jdashiel at panix dot com> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. > Please use in that order." > Ed Howdershelt 1940. > > On Fri, 4 Aug 2023, Cara Quinn wrote: > > > Hi Peter, > > > > Unfortunately, this is an issue across the board. Accessibility on consoles > > is still just hit and miss at this point in my opinion. > > > > While the digital culture holds up accessibility for all as a nice talking > > point, there is critical logic in the development processes of each company > > that is usually lacking in some way. There are exceptions, such as Apple, > > but even then, there are failures. > > > > -And, Microsoft as you mention has great accessibility but fails when it > > comes to other critical areas in games or apps that do not work with > > Narrator or are only partially accessible. > > > > this also gets back to the way the term accessible is used, I feel. > > > > It’s wonderful to see accessibility even as a prominent talking point now, > > but it also does not yet really always mean accessibility for all. So it’s > > kind of an oxymoron at times. lol! -Know what I mean? > > > > Accessibility is a big term. For example, I’m really keyed into my own > > disability and what needs to happen in certain circumstances to make things > > accessible in regard to it, but I need to step out of that to take into > > account, other disabilities as well. So it takes work on my part to promote > > as much inclusivity as possible in the work that I do. So developers really > > need to take initiative to be thoughtful and considerate and really learn > > about their customers’ needs in the design process and follow through with > > that in development and testing. > > > > It’s not always easy, and inspiration goes a long way to getting > > developers interested in what they can do and letting them realize > > that these are not necessarily insurmountable hurtles. There are a lot > > of tools out there and sometimes it just takes making developers aware > > that true accessibility is possible without breaking the bank. :) > > > > Sometimes, a coder might be very inspired to help but they may feel that > > they themselves know the absolute best way that something should be done. > > this as we all have seen, can go super horribly. So it’s important to > > encourage good, positive dialogue and keep that inspiration alive and help > > guide them at the same time. > > > > Anyway, enough from me! lol! You all already know this. :) > > > > I’ll get off my soap box now. :) > > > > > > thanks for reading and have a great weekend! > > > > Cheers! > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:48 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonah...@satx.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > > Good evening everyone, > > > > > > More work needs to be done to improve the accessibility > > > of apps and games on the Xbox. I’ve tried to find accessible games and > > > repeatedly asked on this list for suggestions but got no where. > > > > > > Another issue is the failure of Microsoft and app > > > developers to work together to insure that their apps work with Narrator. > > > You Tube TV is one such App that will not speak at all even when Narrator > > > is enabled. Spectrum TV, You Tube, Max, Fox Nation, and other apps that > > > work very well on other platforms and devices won’t work on the Xbox with > > > Narrator. This is something Microsoft needs to get serious about and > > > demand that developers of the above-mentioned apps partner to enable > > > their products to function with Narrator. The same also goes for > > > developers of Games for the Xbox. Here’s hoping users of other gaming > > > consoles aren’t having this trouble. All the best. > > > > > > Peter Donahue > > > > > > > > > > > > From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > > > <blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf > > > Of Cara Quinn > > > Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 6:08 PM > > > To: mi...@eastlink.ca <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca> > > > Cc: Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>; blind-gamers@groups.io > > > <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have > > > found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > Mich, > > > > > > Just my opinion, but if PS-5 is what you’re after, you really don’t need > > > the built-in drive unless you either have older PS games that you’d like > > > to import or if you want to play movies like you mentioned. > > > > > > I’ll revisit the Blu-ray player to see if everything is accessible on it. > > > I tried it when I got the console but at the time I was not completely > > > familiar with navigating it with the controller so I will need to look at > > > it again. I will let you know what I find. > > > > > > Regarding X-Box, you can set it up independently from what I remember. If > > > I remember correctly, the keystroke to turn on Narrator works right out > > > of the box so it’s really no biggie. > > > > > > From what I can remember, I actually think I had an easier time setting > > > up the X-Box than I did with the PS-5 but that’s just me. :) Your milage > > > may vary. > > > > > > Anyway, have a great evening and best of luck with what you decide. Will > > > write when I have more info. > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:54 PM, <mi...@eastlink.ca > > > <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> <mi...@eastlink.ca > > > <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Cara and all. Yes you bring up a verry good point. Accessibillidey is > > > a verry Brod term and you almost have to divide the accessibillidey into > > > the different disibillideys for instance madder skills, vi, blind, wheel > > > chair etc. since what might be accessible to some one in a wheel chair > > > might be pointless to play for those of us who have no sight or verry > > > limmided sight. The same go’s for vi people who have some sight verses > > > some one who has no sight things like couler contrast font size and other > > > things don’t mean anything to those of us who have no sight. I have > > > played audio games for years and I used to play my sisters Nintendo first > > > when I had some sight up until I was 6. So I am just trying to play some > > > more console games. Of korce I need to save up for a consul and the > > > differences between x box and ps 5 and the 2 different ps 5’s that are > > > out there is kindof overwhelming. That is why I am asking so many > > > questions and trying to get as much info as I can. I have saved up just a > > > small amount for the ps 5. I like that since I have seen vidiows of games > > > using that that the screen reader starts right away as I have said and > > > there is no need for sighted help when it comes to setting it up. I am > > > sure the same is true of x box but just from looking around on YouTube I > > > can’t find any vidiows that show narader in action on x box except if you > > > count those that show you how to tern it off and on lol. From Mich. > > > > > > From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > > > <blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf > > > Of Cara Quinn > > > Sent: August 3, 2023 5:32 PM > > > To: mi...@eastlink.ca <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca> > > > Cc: Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>; blind-gamers@groups.io > > > <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have > > > found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > Hi Mich, > > > > > > I have no idea about the Spiderman games and I’m wondering about them > > > myself. > > > > > > I have not heard anything definitive on this which brings up a really > > > important point I think. > > > > > > This has come up here before, but the concept of accessibility is kind of > > > a pain the way it is used when people are describing games. > > > > > > For example, when I was looking up info on Hogwarts Legacy, it > > > looked, for all intents and purposes that the game could be played > > > without sight but that’s just not the case, unless I’m missing some > > > really basic features somewhere. :) > > > > > > I can get through the menus and such but as I mentioned, the most basic > > > features of assisted navigation or having any kind of audio guides etc > > > are just not there. So I can’t find any way at present to really play the > > > game without assistance right from the start. > > > > > > So calling this game accessible is a no go in my opinion. > > > > > > Anyway, so far, from what I’ve read on the Spiderman games, I can’t find > > > anything that specifically says that it has features that would be > > > necessary or even helpful in actual game-play for someone playing without > > > any sight at all. > > > > > > I’ll give the site you mentioned a look and see if I’ve missed anything > > > though. I’m very curious. > > > > > > Thanks Mich, if I find out anything more about any of the games in this > > > thread, I’ll be sure to let you know. > > > > > > Have a great day! > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 2:57 PM, <mi...@eastlink.ca > > > <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> <mi...@eastlink.ca > > > <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> wrote: > > > > > > Hello yes that does help. I have played the Vale on the pc and beet it > > > and liked the game. I have not played any of the other games you > > > menchend. Is it true that the spiderman games would be pliable by those > > > of us who are blind? Since I red that on the websight caniplaythat.com > > > <http://caniplaythat.com/> from Mich. > > > > > > From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > > > <blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf > > > Of Cara Quinn > > > Sent: August 3, 2023 4:32 PM > > > To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > > > Cc: Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > > <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> > > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have > > > found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > also, on X-Box, there are The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, A Western > > > Drama, and Forza Horizon 5. > > > > > > A Western Drama is fair at best, in my opinion, but is specifically > > > designed for blind folks. > > > > > > I have The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, but have not gotten into it yet. I > > > believe it is also specifically designed to be played without sight, as > > > it has no graphics to speak of. > > > > > > Forza Horizon 5 is my favorite game at the minute, (and it has been for > > > some time now) but I would say, is somewhat accessible. There are a few > > > sticking points in the game but once you get past them and learn how the > > > game works, you can certainly enjoy about 75 percent of it accessibly. > > > It’s far from perfect but It really is very good for a mainstream racing > > > experience. > > > > > > I’m also looking forward to the release of the next Forza Motorsport. > > > > > > Regarding PS-5, Really, the only games I’ve found so far to be completely > > > accessible, are the Last of Us 1 and 2. > > > > > > I’m also playing Hogwarts Legacy with a friend and while it is sort of > > > accessible in some ways, it lacks some crucial features for simple > > > in-game navigation which really make it close to impossible to play > > > without sight. > > > > > > Hogwarts Legacy is also available on X-Box but right now I’m only playing > > > it on PS-5. If I try it on X-Box and find that it’s any better, I will > > > certainly let y'all know. > > > > > > I’m trying to research other truly blind-accessible games for PS-5 at the > > > minute as well, so I am also interested in other’s experiences with this. > > > > > > Hope this helps and have a great day! > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:59 AM, Lenron <lenro...@gmail.com > > > <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Diablo iv, forza motorsport will be comes out in a couple months. As > > > dusk falls. Are a few I can think of off the top of my head. > > > > > > On 8/3/23, goshawk on horseback <goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk > > > <mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I am still trying to find what accessible games, if there are any, > > > are available for xbox, as that is what I have. > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Jen . > > > To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 9:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople > > > have found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > > > > What genres of games are available for both systems and what > > > version of both systems have the accessibility. > > > Would either one of these systems be playable by someone with no vision. > > > Jen > > > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 2023, at 1:58 AM, goshawk on horseback > > > <goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk > > > <mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I would agree with this, as whilst I have heard about the speech > > > being available on the PS5, I have also heard that it isn't up to > > > much, where as I can say that the speech on the Xbox is good. > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: michael barnes > > > To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > > > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 4:36 AM > > > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch > > > epople have found better x box? or ps 5? > > > > > > > > > I prefer the Xbox. I feel that the Xbox is more accessible than > > > PlayStation five. However, it is a persons preference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 2, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Mich Verrier <mi...@eastlink.ca > > > <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all I am also wondering witch game consul is better x box? > > > Or ps 5? I have red about PS 5 Thor Ragnarock edditions as well and > > > would like to know what those are? Also are you able to use the PS 5 > > > To play blue ray movies? And if so is the accessibillidey extend to > > > just games? Or if you wanted to play a blue ray dvd of a movie could > > > you do it and still have a screen reader option reading you the > > > menu? I know that this can be dun on a PS 5 playing blue rays I mean > > > so I thought I would ask if playing blue ray movies would also be > > > possible but was not shure about the menu of the ps 5 if it would > > > read out what you needed toknow or if it was only for gameing? I > > > have never dun this before and so that is the reason why I thought I > > > would ask. Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from Temiskaming Shores Ontario > > > Canada. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Lenron Brown > > > > > > > > > Skype: ron.brown762 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#126483): https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/message/126483 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/100537526/21656 Group Owner: blind-gamers+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/leave/607459/21656/1071380848/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
