The issue I'm having with Anna now is that I can't seem to continue the story event I started. Whichever race I'm close to she keeps leading me back to it, and it's the Wing on a Prayre showcase.
I wish she'd stop bringing me back to that. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 7:36 AM Lenron <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks so much for this info Cara, will put some of this into practice > this weekend. I did do the wing on a prayer event. Then I was given > the option to do 2 other events. I tried to do one of those then for > some weird reason I keep passing up the spot Anna is telling me to > stop. I can't wait until I unlock access to her with using the d pad I > am sure that will help. I did sort of notice how you can hear where > there is something you can go to on the map by this little ding noise > that maybe could have been a little louder. I have to agree if they > would have talked to someone about accessibility or blind > accessibility when working on this game they would have gotten things > right. Narrator seems to talk way too much when reading menu items but > doesn't read enough of the menus. When trying to play on pc I can see > certain things with OCR, but not enough to really help. This is using > NVDA by the way. I am also thinking about getting a wheel for the > Xbox, especially because motorsport will be out in a couple months. I > am going to try your trick for getting to the beach and see if it > works out for me. Have you been able to collect any really cool cars? > > On 8/4/23, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote: > > Hi again, just a quick update: > > > > Regarding when characters are talking about stories or giving you > choices of > > events to go to, In the case of a choice, pressing A should set a route > to > > the first choice. > > > > In the case of a story, if the character isn’t giving you a choice then > I’ve > > found that they usually set a route for you automatically. So you should > not > > press A at that point and just try driving. You should find that Anna > will > > be guiding you. > > > > Again, it’s not friendly and it would have been so simple to implement > fixes > > for this sort of thing but I hope these tips help and don’t cause more > > confusion. :) > > > > I found a lot of this by just trial and error. > > > > Hope this helps at least somewhat. :) > > > > Cheers! > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:55 PM, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hey Lenron, > >> > >> Sorry for the delay. It’s been a busy day! :) > >> > >> I’ll need to go back in the list archives and see what I sent along a > few > >> months back. It’s been a while since I went through the initial parts of > >> the game but if you can let me know where you left off, that will be > >> helpful. > >> > >> What I can say is that I believe the major sticking point in the > beginning > >> of the game is that you need to get to the first Showcase event which is > >> called “On a Wing and a Prayer” and you’re not automatically routed > there. > >> More specifically, I think you can start with other races as well, but > >> you’re just not given an automatic route to start. There are ways around > >> this though. > >> > >> I was actually able to do it myself by accident. It was really not clear > >> to me what needed to be done at that point in the game but I was able to > >> find the pin on the map and just pressed the A button to set a route to > >> the On a Wing and a Prayer showcase event. If you do by chance have > >> sighted help, the symbol for it is an airplane. > >> > >> I didn’t know where I was going but I did know that I was going > somewhere! > >> lol! > >> > >> From what I remember, (and someone else may be able to correct me here) > if > >> you can locate that event on the map and complete it, you should have an > >> easier time as it will not only open up more events and races on the > map, > >> but will also allow you to be routed to stories automatically. > >> > >> When you hear one of the characters talking about a story or choice of > >> races for example, if you just press A without doing anything else, you > >> should automatically be routed to the first choice. You can then > progress > >> in the game that way. > >> > >> Until you can unlock the ability to just use the D-Pad to activate Anna > >> for certain parts of the game, the game will not be super friendly but > >> will absolutely be doable. It’s definitely not frustration-free and I > >> really wish they would have had someone knowledgeable to consult with > for > >> this. -Or at least if they were able to do any kinds of updates to the > >> accessibility systems to assist with the map, this would go a long way > to > >> making this a lot more fun to get started with. > >> > >> There are a few tips to keep in mind when using the map. > >> > >> 1 you can move around the map either by using the left stick or the > D-Pad. > >> I prefer the D-Pad as I am guaranteed a straight line as I’m moving. > >> > >> 2 You can zoom in or out on the map with the right and left triggers, > >> respectively. This may make it easier to select pins. > >> > >> 3 You can filter the map elements by first pressing the right shoulder > >> button, then X, and finally A to clear all map elements. If you then use > >> the D-Pad to move up and down, you should see a list of map elements > that > >> you can click on to show on the map. Once you show the map elements you > >> want by selecting them, you can then press B to get back to the map > where > >> those elements will now be displayed. > >> > >> 4 You can hear where pins are on the map. So when you hear one, you can > >> simply press A to be routed there. Anna Should then let you know that > your > >> route is active and start giving you directions as you drive. > >> > >> 5 If you happen to be on a route that you don’t want to be on, you can > >> usually cancel it by just opening the map and clicking A. > >> > >> 6 You can set a route to anywhere at all on the map even if you do not > >> hear a pin. So this can at least get you started with driving. I’ll talk > >> about this more below. > >> > >> For me, I located the first showcase event by using the D-Pad to move > >> across the map back and forth. If I remember correctly, you’re really > not > >> that far away from the Wing and a Prayer showcase when you start, so it > >> really only took a few passes across the map for me to find the pin. I > >> can’t remember if it was north or south of me. but it wasn’t super far > >> away, from what I can remember. Don’t hold me to it though! :) > >> > >> So for example, if I wanted to look for something that I only knew was > >> north of me, I could either use D-Pad up if I knew it was straight north > >> of me, and then press A when I heard the pin sound. Or, if I did not > know > >> specifically where it was, then I would simply hold right on the D-Pad > >> until I reached the right edge of the map, click up once and then hold > >> left until I reached the left side of the map and do the same thing > >> again. > >> > >> Holding the D-Pad moves the cursor pretty quickly so you only need to > wait > >> a couple of seconds so this is not as bad as it sounds. > >> > >> it’s of course not super friendly but you’ll also find that you need to > do > >> this less and less as the game progresses. Once Anna is enabled on the > >> D-Pad, you can have her find races etc for you automatically. > >> > >> As I mentioned above, the other way you can use the map early in the > game > >> is simply to move the cursor anywhere at all on the map and click A to > set > >> a route there. What should happen is that you will be creating a route > to > >> wherever you are pointing and Anna should then begin giving you > >> directions. You will most likely find that you will pass races, stories > >> and events along the way and you should be able to join these to > progress > >> in the game that way. > >> > >> You can pretty much guarantee finding races like this if you choose a > >> point really far away from where you are. When you open the map, you > will > >> be pointing at your position. So if you use the D-Pad and hold a > >> direction, wait for a couple of seconds, and then press A, you should > then > >> have a pretty long route set and you should find several events that you > >> can participate in along the way. > >> > >> I still use this method to park at a place on the beach that I like. > >> > >> I go to a particular race event and then just move the cursor all the > way > >> to the right on the map and set a route there. This gets me to a > >> particular place on the beach on the east coast of the map. > >> > >> I hope this helps for now. If you can give me any more details I may be > >> able to be more specific. > >> > >> I’ll see if I can find anything useful that I said on the list a few > >> months back. > >> > >> Best of luck! > >> > >> Have a great weekend, and Happy Driving! > >> > >> Cheers! > >> > >> Cara > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:47 PM, Lenron <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hey Cara can you please give some info on things I need to get passed > >>> in Forza Horizon 5? I haven't really been able to get started with > >>> that one. I noticed that if they could fixed the map and a few other > >>> sticking points we would be good to go. Some of the menus just don't > >>> speak at all. It's a shame Hogwarts Legacy isn't blind accessible. I > >>> really wanted to play this one. I really think we need to tap in more > >>> with devs and push for even more accessibility, or really start > >>> creating our own main stream games. That everyone else can play. > >>> Motorsport was the first time in a long time I pre-ordered a game. I > >>> wondere if anyone has been in touch with Ubisoft about making the crew > >>> motorfest blind accessible. The sounds for the cars in that game is > >>> amazing. It should be out in September. > >>> > >>> > >>> On 8/3/23, Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com> wrote: > >>>> Mich, > >>>> > >>>> Just my opinion, but if PS-5 is what you’re after, you really don’t > need > >>>> the > >>>> built-in drive unless you either have older PS games that you’d like > to > >>>> import or if you want to play movies like you mentioned. > >>>> > >>>> I’ll revisit the Blu-ray player to see if everything is accessible on > >>>> it. I > >>>> tried it when I got the console but at the time I was not completely > >>>> familiar with navigating it with the controller so I will need to look > >>>> at it > >>>> again. I will let you know what I find. > >>>> > >>>> Regarding X-Box, you can set it up independently from what I remember. > >>>> If I > >>>> remember correctly, the keystroke to turn on Narrator works right out > of > >>>> the > >>>> box so it’s really no biggie. > >>>> > >>>> From what I can remember, I actually think I had an easier time > setting > >>>> up > >>>> the X-Box than I did with the PS-5 but that’s just me. :) Your milage > >>>> may > >>>> vary. > >>>> > >>>> Anyway, have a great evening and best of luck with what you decide. > >>>> Will > >>>> write when I have more info. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers! > >>>> > >>>> Cara > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 4:54 PM, <mi...@eastlink.ca> <mi...@eastlink.ca> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Cara and all. Yes you bring up a verry good point. Accessibillidey > >>>>> is > >>>>> a verry Brod term and you almost have to divide the accessibillidey > >>>>> into > >>>>> the different disibillideys for instance madder skills, vi, blind, > >>>>> wheel > >>>>> chair etc. since what might be accessible to some one in a wheel > chair > >>>>> might be pointless to play for those of us who have no sight or verry > >>>>> limmided sight. The same go’s for vi people who have some sight > verses > >>>>> some one who has no sight things like couler contrast font size and > >>>>> other > >>>>> things don’t mean anything to those of us who have no sight. I have > >>>>> played > >>>>> audio games for years and I used to play my sisters Nintendo first > when > >>>>> I > >>>>> had some sight up until I was 6. So I am just trying to play some > more > >>>>> console games. Of korce I need to save up for a consul and the > >>>>> differences > >>>>> between x box and ps 5 and the 2 different ps 5’s that are out there > >>>>> is > >>>>> kindof overwhelming. That is why I am asking so many questions and > >>>>> trying > >>>>> to get as much info as I can. I have saved up just a small amount for > >>>>> the > >>>>> ps 5. I like that since I have seen vidiows of games using that that > >>>>> the > >>>>> screen reader starts right away as I have said and there is no need > >>>>> for > >>>>> sighted help when it comes to setting it up. I am sure the same is > true > >>>>> of > >>>>> x box but just from looking around on YouTube I can’t find any > vidiows > >>>>> that show narader in action on x box except if you count those that > >>>>> show > >>>>> you how to tern it off and on lol. From Mich. > >>>>> > >>>>> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > >>>>> <blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf > Of > >>>>> Cara > >>>>> Quinn > >>>>> Sent: August 3, 2023 5:32 PM > >>>>> To: mi...@eastlink.ca <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca> > >>>>> Cc: Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>>; > >>>>> blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople have > >>>>> found better x box? or ps 5? > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Mich, > >>>>> > >>>>> I have no idea about the Spiderman games and I’m wondering about them > >>>>> myself. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have not heard anything definitive on this which brings up a really > >>>>> important point I think. > >>>>> > >>>>> This has come up here before, but the concept of accessibility is > kind > >>>>> of > >>>>> a pain the way it is used when people are describing games. > >>>>> > >>>>> For example, when I was looking up info on Hogwarts Legacy, it > looked, > >>>>> for > >>>>> all intents and purposes that the game could be played without sight > >>>>> but > >>>>> that’s just not the case, unless I’m missing some really basic > >>>>> features > >>>>> somewhere. :) > >>>>> > >>>>> I can get through the menus and such but as I mentioned, the most > >>>>> basic > >>>>> features of assisted navigation or having any kind of audio guides > etc > >>>>> are > >>>>> just not there. So I can’t find any way at present to really play the > >>>>> game > >>>>> without assistance right from the start. > >>>>> > >>>>> So calling this game accessible is a no go in my opinion. > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyway, so far, from what I’ve read on the Spiderman games, I can’t > >>>>> find > >>>>> anything that specifically says that it has features that would be > >>>>> necessary or even helpful in actual game-play for someone playing > >>>>> without > >>>>> any sight at all. > >>>>> > >>>>> I’ll give the site you mentioned a look and see if I’ve missed > >>>>> anything > >>>>> though. I’m very curious. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks Mich, if I find out anything more about any of the games in > >>>>> this > >>>>> thread, I’ll be sure to let you know. > >>>>> > >>>>> Have a great day! > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers! > >>>>> > >>>>> Cara > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 2:57 PM, <mi...@eastlink.ca > >>>>>> <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> <mi...@eastlink.ca > >>>>>> <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hello yes that does help. I have played the Vale on the pc and beet > >>>>>> it > >>>>>> and liked the game. I have not played any of the other games you > >>>>>> menchend. Is it true that the spiderman games would be pliable by > >>>>>> those > >>>>>> of us who are blind? Since I red that on the websight > >>>>>> caniplaythat.com > >>>>>> <http://caniplaythat.com/> from Mich. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > >>>>>> <blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io>> On Behalf > Of > >>>>>> Cara Quinn > >>>>>> Sent: August 3, 2023 4:32 PM > >>>>>> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > >>>>>> Cc: Cara Quinn <caraqu...@caraquinn.com > >>>>>> <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com>> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople > have > >>>>>> found better x box? or ps 5? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> also, on X-Box, there are The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, A Western > >>>>>> Drama, and Forza Horizon 5. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> A Western Drama is fair at best, in my opinion, but is specifically > >>>>>> designed for blind folks. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have The Vale - Shadow of the Crown, but have not gotten into it > >>>>>> yet. I > >>>>>> believe it is also specifically designed to be played without sight, > >>>>>> as > >>>>>> it has no graphics to speak of. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Forza Horizon 5 is my favorite game at the minute, (and it has been > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> some time now) but I would say, is somewhat accessible. There are a > >>>>>> few > >>>>>> sticking points in the game but once you get past them and learn how > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> game works, you can certainly enjoy about 75 percent of it > >>>>>> accessibly. > >>>>>> It’s far from perfect but It really is very good for a mainstream > >>>>>> racing > >>>>>> experience. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I’m also looking forward to the release of the next Forza > Motorsport. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regarding PS-5, Really, the only games I’ve found so far to be > >>>>>> completely > >>>>>> accessible, are the Last of Us 1 and 2. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I’m also playing Hogwarts Legacy with a friend and while it is sort > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> accessible in some ways, it lacks some crucial features for simple > >>>>>> in-game navigation which really make it close to impossible to play > >>>>>> without sight. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hogwarts Legacy is also available on X-Box but right now I’m only > >>>>>> playing > >>>>>> it on PS-5. If I try it on X-Box and find that it’s any better, I > >>>>>> will > >>>>>> certainly let y'all know. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I’m trying to research other truly blind-accessible games for PS-5 > at > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> minute as well, so I am also interested in other’s experiences with > >>>>>> this. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hope this helps and have a great day! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cara > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 5:59 AM, Lenron <lenro...@gmail.com > >>>>>>> <mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Diablo iv, forza motorsport will be comes out in a couple months. > As > >>>>>>> dusk falls. Are a few I can think of off the top of my head. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 8/3/23, goshawk on horseback < > goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk > >>>>>>> <mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am still trying to find what accessible games, if there are any, > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>> available for xbox, as that is what I have. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Simon > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>> From: Jen . > >>>>>>>> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 9:25 AM > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch epople > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> found better x box? or ps 5? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> What genres of games are available for both systems and what > >>>>>>>> version > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> both systems have the accessibility. > >>>>>>>> Would either one of these systems be playable by someone with no > >>>>>>>> vision. > >>>>>>>> Jen > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 1:58 AM, goshawk on horseback > >>>>>>>> <goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk > >>>>>>>> <mailto:goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I would agree with this, as whilst I have heard about the speech > >>>>>>>> being > >>>>>>>> available on the PS5, I have also heard that it isn't up to much, > >>>>>>>> where > >>>>>>>> as I > >>>>>>>> can say that the speech on the Xbox is good. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Simon > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>> From: michael barnes > >>>>>>>> To: blind-gamers@groups.io <mailto:blind-gamers@groups.io> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2023 4:36 AM > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] I have another question witch > >>>>>>>> epople > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> found better x box? or ps 5? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I prefer the Xbox. I feel that the Xbox is more accessible > than > >>>>>>>> PlayStation five. However, it is a persons preference. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Mich Verrier <mi...@eastlink.ca > >>>>>>>> <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi all I am also wondering witch game consul is better x > box? > >>>>>>>> Or > >>>>>>>> ps > >>>>>>>> 5? I have red about PS 5 Thor Ragnarock edditions as well and > would > >>>>>>>> like to > >>>>>>>> know what those are? Also are you able to use the PS 5 To play > blue > >>>>>>>> ray > >>>>>>>> movies? And if so is the accessibillidey extend to just games? Or > >>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>> wanted to play a blue ray dvd of a movie could you do it and still > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> screen reader option reading you the menu? I know that this can be > >>>>>>>> dun > >>>>>>>> on a > >>>>>>>> PS 5 playing blue rays I mean so I thought I would ask if playing > >>>>>>>> blue > >>>>>>>> ray > >>>>>>>> movies would also be possible but was not shure about the menu of > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> ps 5 > >>>>>>>> if it would read out what you needed toknow or if it was only for > >>>>>>>> gameing? I > >>>>>>>> have never dun this before and so that is the reason why I thought > >>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>> ask. Many thanks. From Mich Verrier from Temiskaming Shores > Ontario > >>>>>>>> Canada. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Lenron Brown > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Skype: ron.brown762 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Lenron Brown > >>> > >>> > >>> Skype: ron.brown762 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Lenron Brown > > > Skype: ron.brown762 > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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