Ok,
So lets see if I understand.You need a third party system to have two screen 
readers loaded onto a single computer. Is that correct? I was kind of hoping 
that I could just unload or sleep the one and turn the other one when I 
needed it, then vice versa. Is that possible without  all that trouble?
I mean , couldn't the second screen reader be treated just like any other 
program that I use without Jaws running?
allan
The truth will set you freehe...
Jesus of Nazareth  33 AD
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft


> Depends if its dcm compatible.
> I have dcm compabible software.
> In case there are those non educated in dcm it stands for direct chain 
> management.
> What the hell does it mean?
> Well for the end user, you can run as many screenreaders or whatever 
> supports the dcm standard without the following.
> 1.  installation problems, that is you used to have to uninstall the 
> readers in reverse.
> 2.  Use of a display patch bridge.
> I actually used one of these for a short time.
> In dcm you can run all dcm programs together, but why you would like to 
> run jaws is a weird thing to me.
> Like hal and jaws.
> But if you mistakenly did it now and restarted then you still will have a 
> system.
> In the old days the patch is like this.
> Your first screenreader, say jaws, is the display driver, then jaws loads 
> the display driver which loads hal or whatever.
> If you started both together, the following would happen.
> Your system would start with an hardware error.
> If you were lucky you would start with a reduced display mode.
> To fix this, you reinstalled your display driver, or roled the driver back 
> and installed the thing again.
> But in most cases you got a hardware error.
> You fixed this by doing a reformat.
> Its fine  to do that, as it gets the system going.
> But the thing was it was so easy to damn well do.
> I did this on a number of ocations, sometimes I forgot to remove a reader 
> from startup and an install with it ran and then well boom, time to 
> reformat.
> Or pushing 2 hotkeys at once by mistake, guess what, time to reformat.
> Before this I had one reader.
> I was one of the first on the scene with dcm enabled software.
> For the developer, dcm is a library, you can call dcm from any app to use 
> it.
> Its small and well its quite ok.
> True it did have a few bugs but they quickly went away.
> Dcm unlike the old non dcm method doesn't necessarily have to be 
> configured.
> There is a program to ultar the chain order of screenreaders, but for most 
> things if you install another dcm program, and say update that program, 
> with say another system, and the display driver aint updated, graphics 
> card, etc dcm will update its data automatically.
> If your graphics drivers or other problems, or updates to dcm are made you 
> may get an error on your reader.
> You push enter and reboot and dcm will reload with new data.
> Dcm is coded by microsoft.
> But the standard was designed by a-squared and gwmicro.
> Ms made the dlls and thats it.
> I suppose ms own the code but nothing else.
> Its good that someone else other than ms wrote the standard.
> Ms can't buy dcm for their own uses.
> Imagine for instance if after activating your screenreader you would have 
> to activate dcm because ms wanted you to.
> I don't think they can do that though.
> I think they were contracted with writing the code.
> But thats that.
> At 12:31 a.m. 3/02/2006, you wrote:
>>Hi Shaun,
>>I never occured to me that there are other  screen readers that can be put
>>on the same system. I always thought that one system, one reader.
>>So perhaps another screen reader can  help in filling out forms where 
>>Jaws
>>can't?
>>Thanks for the idea. You have been a great help.
>>
>>So now , are those other screen readers as expensive as jaws?
>>allan
>>
>>The truth will set you freehe...
>>Jesus of Nazareth  33 AD
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: <[email protected]>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:23 PM
>>Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft
>>
>>
>>>I have had my problems with jaws forms mode which is why I continue to 
>>>use
>>>hal for most tasks.
>>> I spent cash getting jaws for a spaciffic project back at tech and
>>> upgraded it on smas.
>>> But I feel disaloosioned since the only time I actually need jaws is 
>>> when
>>> I do an xl project or hard word format document.
>>> Since thats not done anymore since i am no longer needing to do stuff 
>>> like
>>> that because I am no longer at uni, jaws is for a couple of journal 
>>> sites,
>>> and a couple sights that lock hell.
>>> Up to the time i loaded k-lite mega codec I was using it to update and
>>> install realplayer.
>>> The only reason I keep it is actually because I need it in a low key 
>>> way,
>>> but also as I spent loads on it.
>>> If you take away advanced semi graphical programs away, hal 5.21 can do
>>> most if not everything a home user wants.
>>> I was never able to nut out forms mode and in fact jaws seems to want
>>> forms as having some key presses as commands.
>>> I may try a demo of windoweyes.
>>> However I doubt unless I really need it that I will ever upgrade any
>>> screen reader I currently have.
>>> The truth is that the jaws thing came to late for my project and it 
>>> ended
>>> without jaws when most needed.
>>> So I have a failed project and a whaping piece of expensive software I
>>> hardly need.
>>> Is it bad luck or what?
>>> At 09:12 a.m. 2/02/2006, you wrote:
>>>>Actually, What I was attempting to do is register vb express. It can't 
>>>>be
>>>>registered without a microsoft passport account. When I fill out the 
>>>>form
>>>>to
>>>>get an account, which consists of  all sorts of  information, you 
>>>>finally
>>>>at
>>>>the end of it all click I accept. What happens is that All the edit 
>>>>fields
>>>>are wiped clean and there is no message of anything having been denied 
>>>>or
>>>>accepted. When I attempted to use the passport, since it is also a 
>>>>hotmail
>>>>account, it would not work, thus proving to me that the account wasn't
>>>>created.
>>>>I finally broke down and got my sister to fill in the form for passport,
>>>>and
>>>>jaws was on. This same thing occured with her, so she turned off jaws 
>>>>and
>>>>redid the account and it worked.
>>>>I am not sure about any email  that needs to be sent to me, except for 
>>>>the
>>>>one that is sent to provide a key for the program, which will finally
>>>>complete the registration...man, this sounds like an accesible game 
>>>>idea.
>>>>Fill in the account fields...or die!
>>>>I hope I explained what has been going on, and I am sorry for any
>>>>confusion.
>>>>allan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The truth will set you freehe...
>>>>Jesus of Nazareth  33 AD
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>To: <[email protected]>
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:47 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I think we are on different pages. What are you trying to verify, if it
>>>>>is
>>>>> an email address, you wait for the email address associated with your
>>>>> Microsoft passport to be sent and click on the link.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "allan thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sarah,
>>>>>> Are you using jaws 5.0? If you are then perhaps I am doing something
>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> allan
>>>>>> The truth will set you freehe...
>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth  33 AD
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Sarah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:33 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> managed to verify my address with no problems. I just waited for an
>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>> to appear and clicked onthe link and then followed the prompts.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "allan thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:03 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Shaun for checking it out. It also appears that microsoft
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> want me to register  vb studio express either. It has become an
>>>>>>>> exercise
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> frustration.
>>>>>>>> allan
>>>>>>>> The truth will set you freehe...
>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth  33 AD
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>>> From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:43 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: microsoft
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well alan I mannaged to verify an address but not approve it.
>>>>>>>>> In the old days before hotmail was secured I mad a passport and 
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>>>> to log in on an old email address with it.
>>>>>>>>> When I change my email I will keep my msn.
>>>>>>>>> I tried to get another but can't varify the address so went back 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> old address.
>>>>>>>>> At 04:59 p.m. 1/02/2006, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Hello list,
>>>>>>>>>>for anyone who as ignorant as me, I felt it is necessary to tell 
>>>>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>adventures with trying to get a microsoft passport created.
>>>>>>>>>>The biggest thing that must be remembered with this experience is
>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>jaws must be unloaded, at least mine being jaws 5.0 or none of the
>>>>>>>>>>information put into the fields will be retained. So before you 
>>>>>>>>>>push
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>accept button, take the steps required to prevent frustration.
>>>>>>>>>>sorry for the OT subject, but I thought it would be relevant
>>>>>>>>>>information.
>>>>>>>>>>later,
>>>>>>>>>>allan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The truth will set you freehe...
>>>>>>>>>>Jesus of Nazareth  33 AD
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