Thanks for that.

The sand will soon begin to wash out that is a given. It is mostly weed I want 
to avoid and the fact that polymerized sand water proofs the joints. This has 
the added advantage that water doesn't get through to the base acting like a 
lubricant to allow it and the pavers to move. this is one of the causes of 
those ruts forming where the traffic runs. I am not sure how big a problem 
insect mining usually is up here, I have a suspicion that it was part of the 
problem in my back patio failing but when I picked it up I didn't find 
supporting evidence of ant activity. I have had some trouble with big ant 
colonies on the lawn near it but wasn't aware of their excavations under the 
pavers when I looked.

You are correct that the locals don't seem to be aware of this new technology. 
It isn't all that new of course but you would have to read the trade journals 
or other literature to know about it.


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Franklin 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 9:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Paving project update.


    Dale, you have every Wright to be upset with a contractor who fails to do a 
job according to your specifications. However In this particular instance there 
are a few issues that somewhat confuse the issue. 1: the absence of a written 
contract, 2: weather your neighbor is satisfied with the job and willing to pay 
his share of the costs and 3: the fact that the use of beach sand is probably 
typical and standard procedure in this type of work, and in the absents of 
written instructions to use polymer sand, will probably be supported by the 
legal system.

  In my opinion any attempt to remove the sand between the blocks could in fact 
destabilize the installation or might be perceived as the reason for the fail 
your of the driveway at a later date. You might consider taking some pictures 
of the completed driveway, and depositing a portion of the payment in an 
escarole account to be paid after you see how the project holds up for the 
first year. You can always add the polymer sand at a later date if the beach 
sand settles or washes out.

  Paul Franklin

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dan Rossi 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Paving project update.

  Dale,

  You have every right to be pissed. The job wasn't done to your spec so 
  you are probably within your right to withhold payment until the job is 
  done to spec. Cliff can probably weigh in much more authoritatively here.

  Getting the sand out, wow, I can't imagine. The pressure washing was the 
  first thing that came to mind, but I understand your reluctance there. 
  How about shop vacking it out? You'd probably have to dump it a bunch of 
  times, and maybe do the Bob thing and put a pillow case over the filter. 
  And, it would be an extremely tedious process. Not sure how effective it 
  would be.

  Best O luck.

  -- 
  Blue skies.
  Dan Rossi
  Carnegie Mellon University.
  E-Mail: d...@andrew.cmu.edu
  Tel: (412) 268-9081

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