Yes, I had forgotten that. It's amazing what one forgets. In fact, I still have an email somewhere in my gmail archives from somebody else from 2007 commenting on how quickly I had taken to Windows. Now I don't have Windows because I gave my Mac that I had set up with Windows 7 via bootcamp to somebody else; that was Windows 7 but originally I learned xp. I really did enjoy a lot about Windows as I recall but I don't know whether I will ever get back into it or not. I played with the beta of Windows 8 and didn't like it but I wouldn't be adverse to trying out Windows 10 or some later version someday. But I don't really have a need to use Windows right now. As I now recall, both with xp and 7, a series of Windows books from National Braille Press, one on xp and one on Vista and Windows 7 and each also having a book with diagrams, was helpful. I also had some material from Kathy Myrtha (may not be spelling that right).
But my experiences with all three gui systems - linux, Mac and Windows - are each quite different from each other in a lot of ways. On the one hand, I don't think learning one helps a lot with the others as far as screenreader and layout goes but on the other hand I don't recall ever getting confused between how to work on each of the three. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) > On Jul 18, 2016, at 2:51 PM, John J. Boyer <john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org> > wrote: > > Hi Cheryl, > > I remember that you took to the GUI in Windows almost immediately, or > was it the Mac? Anyway, you didn;t have much trouble. I was surprised at > it at the time, since you had been using the command line on Linux. > > I'm going to stick with Windows until I feel comfortable with it. It > seems best to master one GUI before trying another. > > I'm using Windows 7 because my machine is too old for Windows 10. > > John > > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:13:44PM -0500, Cheryl Homiak wrote: >> I think this is really a pretty complex issue. It really depends to some >> extent on how people started out. Those of us who started out with DOS and >> linux and didn't quickly go the Windows route I believe often prefer or at >> least like the command line. Those who never did DOS or linux or went >> straight from DOS to Windows probably do prefer the gui. For Mac users who >> didn't come from a linux/Unix background, because voiceover isn't as >> friendly in the terminal, the gui appears usually to be the preference. I >> still use the command-line every single day and I use brltty on my Mac in >> terminal and only use Apple braille for the gui. It makes me sad to hear >> people say, as several did in a class i took recently, that they hate using >> or are uncomfortable using the terminal; the training guide I have for >> certification as a support professional repeatedly admits there are things >> that can be done in terminal that can't be done easily or can't be done at >> all from the gui yet it appears that Apple requires less and less knowledge >> of command-line usage and understanding of the Unix underpinnings than used >> to be required. I very much enjoy the gui and wouldn't want to go back to >> command-line only but neither do I want to lose my command-line skills. I >> think the fact that I really have very little skill in the gui in linux has >> to do mostly with the fact that I began using the Mac when Voiceover was >> introduced. I still use linux though right at this moment I don't have a >> linux installation, but I've never really gone to the effort of learning the >> gui in linux because I mostly meet my needs as far as gui with Mac OS. >> Probably I should work on mastering the gui in linux also, but I honestly >> don't know whether I will ever do that, at least as long as I can use Mac OS >> and i-devices and even a Kindle fire. >> >>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 11:53 AM, John J. Boyer <john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> My experience is that most blind people like a GUI with a screen reader >>> better than the command line. Those who have teouble with GUIs, like me, >>> seem to be decidedly in the minority. >>> >>> John >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 12:29:39AM +0200, Anders Holmberg wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> Thats intresting. >>>> I am the total oposit guy. >>>> I had and have no problems learning gui’s but for me the command line is >>>> to hard. >>>> Although i began with a debian command line system 16 years ago and gave >>>> that up for windows a couple of years. >>>> Now i am back to vinux and a mac with osx. >>>> I whish i was patient enough to learn command line. >>>> Maybe i am to dum or maybe i am lazy. >>>> /A >>>>> On 17 Jul 2016, at 22:57, Sam Hartman <hartm...@mit.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "John" == John J Boyer <john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org> writes: >>>>> >>>>> John> I';ve been trying to get a feel for GUIs for years. Sighted >>>>> John> colleagues are no help. They only tell me how they use the >>>>> John> mouse. They won't use a keyboard shourcut even when it is much >>>>> John> simpler. For example, they will scroll down a long document >>>>> John> instead of using ctrl+f to find something. i've tried >>>>> John> unsuccessfully tpo find a Jaws trainer. After I reinstalled >>>>> John> Windows 7 recently Jaws wouldn't install. I'm now using NVDA >>>>> John> and I don't think I'll go back to Jaws. >>>>> >>>>> This is really interesting, because now I'm realizing that I don't know >>>>> how to teach someone GUIs on modern equipment at all. >>>>> I don't know if I can find a solution, but I'll see if I can toss the >>>>> question around. >>>>> >>>>> I hear your frustration completely about people who know one way of >>>>> doing something and who aren't even great at articulating that. >>>>> >>>>> I started to say "well, understanding the mouse at least well enough to >>>>> get your screen reader to click places and stuff is worth knowing. >>>>> That's true of course, although I just realized that most of the screen >>>>> readers I use these days actually wouldn't let me click usefully on a >>>>> scroll bar if I wanted to. >>>>> So, even if you wanted to be incredibly slow, you can't get work done >>>>> just understanding the mouse operations. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for helping me understand an interesting challenge; I'll let you >>>>> know if I come up with anything that might help at all. >>>>> >>>>> --Sam >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Blinux-list mailing list >>>> Blinux-list@redhat.com >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >>> >>> -- >>> John J. 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