Doc: thank you for giving me a way to express the promise of fiber to enable a better "production model", in what you wrote below.
Btw, folks, I am doing an AMA with broadband.io on friday, with a live chat. It is a chance for us techies to engage more directly with the state directors with $70B of government funding as part of the NTIA BEAD program and others like internet4all - and to help focus them on things that would result in a genuinely better internet. I plan to focus more on reducing latency and improving interoperability than bufferbloat, but I have no idea what will happen. "This broadband of which you speak... does it have IPv6?". Please come!? I would love it if more folk with experience all around the world, in what can be done right and wrong with a broadband rollout, if they showed up to help us here in the USA. https://www.broadband.io/c/broadband-grant-events/dave-taht On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 6:22 AM Doc Searls via Starlink <[email protected]> wrote: > > Always a mistake to generalize from a sample of one, but in my case I have > four, because I live in four places. So I like to think that, to some degree, > I represent a kind of market demand. > > All those places—Santa Barbara (CA), New York (NY), Bloomington (IN), and San > Marino (CA)—are served by cable monopolies (Cox, Spectrum, Comcast/Xfinity) > that provide (or at least claim) 1 Gb service... downstream of course. One > (Cox) provides 36 Mb of upstream capacity. The other two provide just 10 Mb. > Because of that, residents have no option to do much work, or to store large > amounts of data, in clouds (to mention just one grace of upstream capacity). > The market is rigged for consumption, not production, on the TV model. Same > as it has been since commercial activity began to explode in 1995, when John > Perry Barlow wrote Death From Above. It's killer. Please read it: > https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/203356.203358. I have been citing that piece left and right lately. > But here in Bloomington, where I am writing now, the city has come up with a > public/private arrangement that has much promise: > > https://www.bloomington.in.gov/fiber I think the smartest thing any city can do to start with, is to establish a good ole-fashioned internet exchange point there, require those providing service in the city to interconnect, > > See what you think. > > For me, the promise of fiber is a huge attraction to living and working here. > And I am not alone. > > Doc > > On Mar 29, 2023, at 8:27 AM, Dave Collier-Brown via Starlink > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 3/29/23 04:28, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > > On Mar 28, 2023, at 19:47, rjmcmahon <[email protected]> wrote: > > Interesting. I'm skeptical that our cities in the U.S. can get this > (structural separation) right. > > There really isn't that much to get wrong, you built the access network and > terminate the per household fibers in arge enough "exchanges" there you offer > ISPs to lighten up the fibers on the premise that customers can use any ISP > they want (that is present in the exchange)... and on ISP change will just be > patched differently in the exchange. > While I think that local "government" also could successfully run internet > access services, I see no reason why they should do so (unless there is no > competition). > The goal here is to move the "natural monopoly" of the access network out of > the hand of the "market" (as markets simply fail as optimizing resource > allocation instruments under mono- and oligopoly conditions, on either side). > > > We see the same issue in Canada: some provinces and cities happily > manage the delivery of services over cables hung from province-owned > poles (eg, TCP/IP in New Brunswick). Other provinces did less well, and > we have "telephone poles" and "hydro poles" on the same street (in > Toronto, Ontario) > > There is no real difference between New Brunswick, Ontario or, for that > matter, Minnesota. If a province or city has operated natural monopolies > like the last mile for water and sewer, it can operate the last mile for > any other monopoly. > > --dave > > -- > David Collier-Brown, | Always do right. This will gratify > System Programmer and Author | some people and astonish the rest > [email protected] | -- Mark Twain > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER : This telecommunication, including any > and all attachments, contains confidential information intended only for the > person(s) to whom it is addressed. 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