Jack, this is another dilemma: 1. Integrate projects directly into MBOINC. 2. DO not but let it operate through API set.
As for C - Java conversion, there are some convertors like http://download.cnet.com/C-To-Java-Converter/3000-2213_4-10080009.html P. 2009/10/28, Jack Shultz <[email protected]>: > > well I'd like to put autodock and possibly gromacs on the mobile > devices (all of which are relevant for disease or drug discovery > research) but I'm not sure how to take c code and put it in java. > Please point me to some references I could use. But my primary > interest, where we get the most computational resource is GPU > integration. Mobile devices have the potential to provide better > marketing. > > 2009/10/28 Petr Hájek <[email protected]>: > > > I would prefer supporting more important projects than funny or gaming > ones > > - folding of molecules, predictions of disease spreading, new drugs > testing, > > ... > > > > 2009/10/28, [email protected] <[email protected]>: > >> > >> Chess 960 might be a possible project. On a 2 GHz machine the tasks > take > >> around 5 minutes. So, on a 600 MHz device the tasks ought to take > around > >> 15 minutes, and my bet is that it is all logic and does not use the FPU > >> much if any. > >> > >> > >> jm7 > >> > >> > >> > >> Petr Hájek > >> <hajek.p...@gmail > > >> .com> To > >> Sent by: [email protected] > > >> <boinc_dev-bounce cc > >> [email protected] > > >> u> Subject > >> Re: [boinc_dev] BOINC for Mobile > >> Phones - please test on your Java > >> > >> 10/28/2009 10:11 phone > >> AM > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I agree. Of course, this is not the right case for mobile phones. I will > >> not > >> think about porting the most hardcore and intensive ones... > >> > >> Comapring DNA, whole numbers, smaller molecules, ... This is all > acceptable > >> with right dosing. > >> > >> Btw. even weather could be ported to phone - every user simply count ONE > >> day > >> which should take just a few days :)). > >> > >> 2009/10/28, [email protected] <[email protected]>: > >> > > >> > Only a very few projects will be able to create smaller tasks. > >> > > >> > CPDN tasks cannot be reduced without shovelling about 1GB of data from > >> the > >> > device back to the server. > >> > s...@h tasks are already reduced to the minimum. > >> > ... > >> > > >> > With no FPU, the increase in time is on the order of times > 1000. Which > >> > would mean that the crunch times would have to be reduced by 1000, or > the > >> > deadline would have to be increased by a factor of 1000. s...@h for > >> example > >> > would have to increase the deadlines from one month to 100 years. Or > the > >> > data span would have to be reduced from 115 seconds of data to 0.1 > >> seconds > >> > of data (the overlap is currently 15 seconds of data). > >> > > >> > Integer only projects such as (possibly) prime grid do not suffer from > >> this > >> > problem. > >> > > >> > Non-CPU intensive projects also do not suffer from the problem. > >> > > >> > You should look to those types of projects for possibilities. > >> > > >> > > >> > jm7 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Petr Hájek > >> > <hajek.p...@gmail > >> > .com> > >> To > >> > Sent by: [email protected] > >> > <boinc_dev-bounce > >> cc > >> > [email protected] > >> > u> > >> Subject > >> > Re: [boinc_dev] BOINC for > Mobile > >> > Phones - please test on your > Java > >> > > >> > 10/28/2009 09:57 phone > >> > AM > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > OK, for the 3rd time: > >> > > >> > "2. There will be absolutely need for different and smaller units so > it > >> may > >> > be counted in few hours / days on typical phone / PDA" > >> > > >> > 2009/10/28, [email protected] <[email protected]>: > >> > > > >> > > CPDN has long deadlines because it has correspondingly long crunch > >> times. > >> > > An 800 MHz computer with an FPU (and CPDN uses the FPU) takes well > in > >> > > excess of 9 months to crunch the data running 24/7. A 600 MHz > device > >> > with > >> > > no FPU will not finish within the lifetime of the phone - even > running > >> > > 24/7. > >> > > > >> > > Will this always be true? I cannot be certain - ever is an awfully > >> long > >> > > time. > >> > > > >> > > Deadlines vaguely track crunch times on most projects. Long > deadlines > >> > > usually have correspondingly long > >> > > > >> > > jm7 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Petr Hájek > >> > > <hajek.p...@gmail > >> > > > >> > > .com> > >> > To > >> > > Sent by: [email protected] > >> > > <boinc_dev-bounce > >> > cc > >> > > [email protected] > >> > > u> > >> > Subject > >> > > > >> > > Re: [boinc_dev] BOINC for > Mobile > >> > > > >> > > Phones - please test on your > >> Java > >> > > > >> > > 10/28/2009 09:48 phone > >> > > AM > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > 1. Some projects has LONG deadlines - Climate for example. > >> > > 2. There will be absolutely need for different and smaller units so > it > >> > may > >> > > be counted in few hours / days. > >> > > > >> > > 2009/10/28, [email protected] <[email protected]>: > >> > > > > >> > > > When you are not using the keypad and the phone is not active, the > >> > > > processor is probably running at about 6 MHz. With no FPU. > >> > > > > >> > > > jm7 > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > "Lynn W. Taylor" > >> > > > <[email protected]> > >> > > > Sent by: > >> > > To > >> > > > <boinc_dev-bounce Carl Christensen > >> > > > [email protected] <[email protected]> > >> > > > u> > >> > > cc > >> > > > > >> > > > [email protected] > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Subject > >> > > > 10/27/2009 02:54 Re: [boinc_dev] BOINC for > >> Mobile > >> > > > PM Phones - please test on > your > >> > Java > >> > > > phone > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > I keep thinking that there are a lot of cell phones out there, and > a > >> > lot > >> > > > of untapped potential. > >> > > > > >> > > > The one in my pocket (Palm Pre) is running some variant of the ARM > >> > > > processor at something like 600 MHz, which is a nontrivial amount > of > >> > CPU. > >> > > > > >> > > > Palm goofed on the battery (I can go two days, tops), but the rest > of > >> > > > the phone, including WebOS, is pretty cool. > >> > > > > >> > > > Cell phones as a group are probably second only to smart cards in > the > >> > > > total number of available clock cycles. > >> > > > > >> > > > -- Lynn > >> > > > > >> > > > Carl Christensen wrote: > >> > > > > I don't quite understand the bashing of this guy's mobile > project; > >> > > there > >> > > > was that "boincoid" a year or two ago which was in vogue, and IMHO > >> the > >> > > same > >> > > > ones bashing the "usefulness" of mobiles are the ones crowing > about > >> how > >> > > > great GPU's & CUDA & Sony Playstations etc are (completely > ignoring > >> the > >> > > > fact that 99.99999% of real-world science apps won't run on > it). Not > >> > to > >> > > > mention that there's all sorts of dubious-benefit computer > sciencey > >> > stuff > >> > > > out there trying to turn boinc into some god-awful grid mess. so > I'm > >> > > > willing to keep an open mind about it (and GPU's & grids ;-). > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > > boinc_dev mailing list > >> > > > > [email protected] > >> > > > > http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > >> > > > > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > >> > > > > (near bottom of page) enter your email address. > >> > > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > boinc_dev mailing list > >> > > > [email protected] > >> > > > http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > >> > > > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > >> > > > (near bottom of page) enter your email address. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > boinc_dev mailing list > >> > > > [email protected] > >> > > > http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > >> > > > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > >> > > > (near bottom of page) enter your email address. > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > S Pozdravem > >> > > Petr Hájek > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > boinc_dev mailing list > >> > > [email protected] > >> > > http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > >> > > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > >> > > (near bottom of page) enter your email address. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > S Pozdravem > >> > Petr Hájek > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > boinc_dev mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > >> > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > >> > (near bottom of page) enter your email address. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> S Pozdravem > >> Petr Hájek > >> _______________________________________________ > >> boinc_dev mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > >> To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > >> (near bottom of page) enter your email address. > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > S Pozdravem > > Petr Hájek > > _______________________________________________ > > boinc_dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev > > To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and > > (near bottom of page) enter your email address. > > > > > -- > Jack > > http://drugdiscoveryathome.com > http://hydrogenathome.org > -- S Pozdravem Petr Hájek _______________________________________________ boinc_dev mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ssl.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/boinc_dev To unsubscribe, visit the above URL and (near bottom of page) enter your email address.
