Hi Carol, Unless I'm missing something, the BACK key (N2 by default) is doing what I would expect in Keyboard Learn mode. If the first display-width of a key's description is being displayed and I press BACK, the description of the BACK key is displayed. However, if I have pressed ADVANCE to display the second or subsequent display-widths, then BACK moves the display back a display-width at a time until it reaches the beginning of the description after which it displays its own description.
Best regards Jonathan "Carol Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/11/2006 06:08 p.m. Please respond to Braillenote List <[email protected]> To "Braillenote List" <[email protected]> cc Subject Re: [Braillenote] KeySoft 7.2 Build 47 Maintenance Release Hi Jonathan, I'd like just to bring your attention to one point, please. I took a look at Richard's post yesterday and went through the various errors he had listed. . . .. I notice that, with regard to Keyboard Learn, whilst his observations are correct and I'm sure you know what you're saying too <Smile> it is also true that if you take the reverse key stroke (N2 by default) and work your way backwards then this in fact works as you'd expect. I'm sure there's a good reason for this - and you don't have to explain - but it does tend to appear at least as a bug. I hope you understand what I'm saying here. I'm not finding it easy to explain at 5 AM UK time after a sleepless night but I can try again if needed. -- Carol [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Braillenote List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:20 PM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] KeySoft 7.2 Build 47 Maintenance Release > Hi Richard, > > In answer to your points: > > 1. Pressing the ADVANCE or PREVIOUS thumb-keys will clear the time from > the Braille display without putting any characters anywhere. BACKSPACE > with ENTER is the command to cut off speech. While in previous version it > also cleared any messages it meant there wasn't a way to read a long > detailed message, e.g. the Next Appointment information, in Braille > without the speech distracting you. > > 2. In Keyboard Learn Mode if all of the description of a key's function > fits on the Braille display, then the ADVANCE key is not required to > advance the display through the desription and will display its function > on the first press. If a desription takes more than one display width, > then it may take several presses of ADVANCE to advance the display through > the description before ADVANCE can display its own function. If it didn't > do this, then you would never be able to read descriptions longer than one > display width in Braille because as soon as you pressed ADVANCE the > previous description would be replaced by the description of the ADVANCE > key. > > 3. N1 and N4 beep because they have no universal function. Try them in > Key Announce mode in KeyWord. > > 4. Yes, we are aware of problems with some Daisy books, this is mentioned > under know issues on the 7.2 build 47 web site. > > 5. ENTER with I is the universal command for the Insert Menu. However, > there is an exception when entering a search string in the word processor > or book reader it is used to find an indent. It is not the command to > indent text, you do that with the tab command or through the Layout List. > > 6. Not sure why it defaults to computer Braille when using the save > command. You can change to grade 2 using BACKSPACE with B or through the > "Grade of Braille for keyboard entry" option in the Options Menu. Have > added this to our bug list. > > 7. When detaching a file, you get the prompt, "... Detach as a KeyWord > document?". If you use the help command at this point, there are 3 > options: "To have the file converted to a KeyWord Text Document, press > 'Y'. To leave the attachment as a Microsoft Word file, press 'N'. To > have the file converted to a KeyWord Braille Document, press 'B'.". The > straight 'Yes' option saves the file as a text document because that > leaves the textual content as-is and is the safest option if you are not > sure of the content. However, if you want it saved as a Braille document, > select the 'B' option. > > Hope the above helps. > > Best regards > > Jonathan Sharp > > HumanWare > 11 Mary Muller Drive, Christchurch > New Zealand > > DDI: +64 3 940 2255 > Fax: +64-3-384 4933 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Internet: www.humanware.com > > > > > "Richard Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 07/11/2006 01:31 p.m. > Please respond to > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Please respond to > Braillenote List <[email protected]> > > > To > "'Braillenote List'" <[email protected]> > cc > > Subject > RE: [Braillenote] KeySoft 7.2 Build 47 Maintenance Release > > > > > > > Bugs still in KeySoft 7.2 build 47 on the PK at least. > > If the braille message display is set to zero, and you check the time with > enter plus t, you can not clear the time with backspace plus enter; you > have > to hit a key that puts a character in your document or hit the joystick on > a > PK. Prior to KeySoft 7.2 backspace plus enter cleared the time. > > In keyboard learn mode when you press the advance key, (n 5) you have to > hit > it twice before it speaks its function. > > Also in keyboard learn mode, n 1 and n 4 just beep. > > How about making the joystick scroll the display one width left or right? > > You are also aware of the buggy behavior in the book reader with DAISY > books. > In particular, is there any way to fix it so one can read the Sunday New > York Times. Right now, it always locks up the PK. I just tried it with > Yesterday's New York Times from Bookshare. > > Enter with i brings up the Insert Menu. What happened to the Indent > command? > > Why, when in Keyword, with the pk set to grade 2 for reading and keyboard, > when I hit chord-s to save the file does it say, "computer braille is > required;" when I can use grade 2 if I create a file from the Keyword > menu? > > Also, why when I save a Word attachment from an e-mail, and I select > Keyword > as the file type, does it save it as a text file and will not allow me to > edit the braille grade? > > Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 2:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Braillenote] KeySoft 7.2 Build 47 Maintenance Release > > > > KeySoft 7.2 build 47 maintenance release is now available from the > following website: > > http://www.humanware.com/Resources/downloads/KeySoft7_2_b47.asp > > This software should only be installed if you are experiencing one of the > problems listed in the Fixed Issues section (see below), or you have > purchased the Concise Oxford Dictionary and Thesaurus for KeySoft. > > If you are upgrading from 7.2 build 43 to 7.2 build 47, you will not > require a new product key, as 7.2 build 47 will work with your existing > 7.2 > product key. > > Fixed Issues: > > In KeyBook, pressing SPACE to stop reading leaves you at your current > position rather than returning you to the position where you started > reading. > > When a Daisy book is re-opened the cursor is returned to its previous > position. > > Daisy speech rate is now remembered between opening books. > > You can now open Bookshare .BKS files from the File Manager Directory > option. > > In KeyPlan, printing now works. > > Full backups now allow subsequent incremental backups to work correctly. > > In the Media Player, BACKSPACE with ENTER now pauses playback. > > On the BrailleNote PK the joystick now works correctly. > > In UK math in the calculator, spaces are now displayed correctly. > > The PREVIOUS and NEXT thumb keys no longer give an error beep when going > to > links in KeyWeb. > > In KeyList, pressing BACKSPACE and ENTER no longer clears the Braille > display. > > On the BrailleNote QT, when FUNCTION with S is used to change task, GPS > only appears when installed. > > On the BrailleNote QT, the calculator now operates correctly after > directly > switching from a KeyWord Braille or BRF document. > > On the BrailleNote QT, the battery level short cut READ with ESC now works > while reading .BRF files in KeyBook. > > On the BrailleNote QT, you no longer need to press READ with G to start > reading a .BRF file in KeyBook. You can just press 'G'. > > On the BrailleNote QT, PLUS on the numeric pad now works. > > Copying a database using the File Manager will no longer write protect the > data file. > > When exporting a document you can now create subdirectories at the > destination directory prompt. > > When confirming the deletion of an email folder, literary Braille folder > names are now spoken correctly. The confirmation prompt now appears on the > correct sequence. > > When writing an email, the exception that could occur when you delete > "to", > "cc" or "bcc" entries has been fixed. > > Known Issues: > > In some cases, you may experience a long response time or apparent lock-up > of your system when reading Daisy books from Bookshare. This is more > prevalent in large books. We will continue to investigate and work to > resolve this issue. In the meantime, we wish to provide you with our > latest > improvements. > > > > Matthew Janusauskas > Technical Support and Training Manager > HumanWare USA Inc. > 656 N Kennedy Drive > Kankakee IL 60901 > Phone: 800-722-3393 Ext. 204 > Fax: 815-939-3194 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Internet: http://www.humanware.com > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote
