Hi, Graham,
I looked at the list of ueb symbols on the ICEB web page. Included on this
list were the symbols for math and computer braille. The list didn't
include any contractions or short-form words or any of the grade 2 code.
The ICEB web page admitted the rules for grade 2 haven't been finalized.
I found this list of symbols to be mind-boggling. UEB has so many two-cell
symbols and three-cell symbols! Look at the list and see for yourself.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Stoodley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "BrailleNote List"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers
Well, Terry, there is obviously more than one view on UEB. I've been
reading the literary version of UEB regularly for the past year, and
it's not hard to read at all. I've been reading braille for 60 years.
At least in literary braille, tests at the National Braille Press
suggest UEB might add 2 pages more for every 100 pages of braille.
That, in my view, is not the exorbitant increase in space your note
suggests. I am not familiar with the UEB mathematics code, and so do
not comment on it, but the UEB code for literary or textbook braille
is not the monster you suggest. Just how much experience with UEB
have you had?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "BrailleNote List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:27 PM
Subject: Fw: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers
I meant to send this message to the list as well as to Sharon because
I
believe everyone should understand what this new code would mean to us
if it
should be adopted.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Sharon S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers
Dear Sharon and All,
I have looked at articles and features about this code and it's my
understanding the code isn't at all like the Grade 2 English braille
currently used and it isn't like the Nemeth Code for math nor is it
like
the computer braille code. The UEB is a totally different animal
and if
it's adopted, (heaven forbid), all of us will have to learn braille
all
over again. It will be much more difficult to learn and cumbersome
to
use. The code will take up more space and it's the weirdest thing
I've
ever seen. Not only that, the rules haven't been finalized and there
are
several committees working on them.
I know that the currently used math braille is different in the US
and UK,
but I don't think the literary braille or the music braille is so
different. I have read some books and music which were brailled by
RNIB.
The bottom line is this: UEB is a step backward and it's so complex
that
in my opinion it will hurt braille literacy because it will be too
hard to
learn.
I'm thankful the BN will still support the current grade 2 braille
and
computer braille.
Terri Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 1:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers
Hi, I am really behind on mail after being away for a week and my
PK
broke
just before I went away so I didn't have any computer access while
away.
To answer your question UEB is still grade two Braille. The idea
behind
it
is to get all English speaking countries using the same Braille
code, but
the US hasn't taken it up. Before UEB was introduced Australia used
a
different code to New Zealand so we couldn't swap any Braille
between the
two countries because we couldn't understand everything in each
others
code.
Now if all English speaking countries use UEB then it would make it
easier
for students going overseas to study because they wouldn't have to
learn
a
hole new code for the country they are in. With electronic Braille
it
doesn't matter as much as long as the computer can convert between
the
codes.
I hope this answers your questions. Let me know if you want to know
more.
Better go I have heaps more emails to look at and I have to get my
PK
ready
to post back to the shop for tomorrow.
From Shaz.
BN Classic and PK user.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Sharon on BN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[email protected]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers
Do you mean grade 2 braille is no longer produced in your country?
How
terrible! Just think of how much space and paper a book would take
using
this awful code! I hope the US doesn't replace the grade 2 braille
code
with the UEB code! That would be a step backwards!
Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon on BN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers
: Hi, just to let you know. All people in Australia are now
: intreducing UEB. Where I work we don't produce any braille that
: isn't UEB. I am still trying to learn it for teaching so having
: it in my BN QT will be very helpful.
:
: >From Shaz
: BN classic and PK user.
:
: > ----- Original Message -----
: >From: "Carol Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >To: <[email protected]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >Date sent: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:15:02 +0100
: >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers
:
: >Deon,
:
: >A couple of us commented briefly on this the other day . ...
:
: >Frankly, there's not that much, especially for PK users, and I'm
: a bit
: >unsure about the introduction of Unified English Braille at this
: stage
: >since, so far as I am aware, we're still waiting for BAUK to
: carry out some
: >kind of survey and the work is ongoing; so isn't this a bit
: premature?
:
: >You'll certainly find that there are a number of items that only
: apply to
: >mPower users. I use a PK.
:
: >I sure wish someone from Humanware would comment about the
: provision of a
: >"lesser upgrade" for some of us, and this isn't the first time.
:
: >However, as I said the other day, I guess we'll have to run with
: it in order
: >to purchase any future upgrades - and of course Humanware know
: this!
:
: >--
: >Carol
: >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:
:
: >----- Original Message -----
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: ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: >Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 11:19 AM
: >Subject: [Braillenote] Keysoft 7.5 for non-USA customers
:
:
: >> Hi all
:
: >> Some time ago some of us, living outside the USA, stated that
we
: feel the
: >> limited benefits offered in the 7.5 upgrade does not warrant
the
: cost to
: >> us of the SMA.
:
: >> 1. How do those of you outside the USA feel?
:
: >> 2. Has Humanware taken note of this?
:
: >> 3. If they have, is there something in the pipeline to make
7.5
: worth
: >> paying for to us?
:
: >> All feedback welcome.
:
: >> Deon
:
:
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