Same. Does that make us sort of reverse-lurkers or something? I.e. formerly active and now not?
Peter—one other thought re: warmup time—a heavy duty timer is your friend! b > On May 2, 2023, at 05:25, Herman Dickens <hermandick...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey Ben! It's been a while. Sorry I've been flying under the radar. > > Herman > > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:06 PM 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus > <brewtus@googlegroups.com <mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com>> wrote: > Hey Herman! > >> On May 1, 2023, at 19:23, Herman Dickens <hermandick...@gmail.com >> <mailto:hermandick...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Sounds like a good deal to me. I have one of the original BII's still >> running part time. >> >> Herman >> >> >> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:25 PM peter riess <plri...@gmail.com >> <mailto:plri...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Update - It’s been on a filtration system since it was purchased and it >> comes with a back stock of replacement parts. I feel pretty confident and at >> $600, maybe worth the future trouble? >> >> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>> <brewtus@googlegroups.com <mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Ps one way you can do This is just to go ahead and replace everything that >>> can fail. Then you basically get a new machine with your own labor to blame >>> for any failures, ha ha. That would definitely get you a period of >>> reliability, but possibly with unnecessary expense up front. >>> >>> b >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 1, 2023, at 16:16, peter riess <plri...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:plri...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ben, >>>> >>>> Every few months? That may be more that I can stand… $700 is sounding >>>> expensive at that rate. >>>> >>>> I wonder how much time and money do you think Expobar owners are spending >>>> on annual maintenance? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:02 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>> <brewtus@googlegroups.com <mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A bunch of great advice here. >>>>> >>>>> Plumbed/vs water jug. Soooooo nice to have it plumbed. Even nicer to have >>>>> the drain plumbed. Having done both with my current machine, I’d never go >>>>> back. >>>>> >>>>> Pitcher’s advice re: bigger heating element is good; you can also adjust >>>>> the pressure stat to set the steam boiler to its max, around 1.45 bar if >>>>> memory serves. This made a world of difference for me vs. stock settings. >>>>> >>>>> As to the multiple failed p-stats per year (that is quite exceptional >>>>> Adam!), I don’t recall the brand but we used to discuss switching to a >>>>> non-stock model that was available at Chris’ Coffee and maybe Espresso >>>>> Parts. It was great (Jaeger maybe?). Search my old posts and you’ll find >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Heat time—half hour is about right, to really get the group head up to >>>>> temp (which is the strength of this machine’s design, as is the case with >>>>> all E61’s). >>>>> >>>>> Price—$700 max sounds reasonable. You could always mention this group and >>>>> the consensus here? By about 10 years of age, I was working on my machine >>>>> every few months, and after about 2 more years of that, went with the ECM >>>>> instead. Holy crap have they gotten expensive though! The ECM likes to >>>>> eat vacuum breakers, and also they have a silicon tube that goes from the >>>>> vacuum breaker to the drip tray (a nice touch, keeps the steam >>>>> condensation out of the housing). That tubing rots regularly also. I’ve >>>>> done one element, very easy replacement method. >>>>> >>>>> By the by, I mentioned using teflon tape instead of the liquid sealant. >>>>> Another plus there—you’ll get to know the joy of removing a heating >>>>> element from a Brewtus if it’s glued in with the factory >>>>> sealant—definitely need a friend with an impact hammer and a way to clamp >>>>> the boiler in a vise without bending it. With teflon tape, the >>>>> remove/replace is worlds easier. >>>>> >>>>> Rotary and PID were great (I upgraded to both on my B2)—the vibe pump was >>>>> a regular replacement item also; the rotary never needed work other than >>>>> setting the pressure when I installed it. >>>>> >>>>> Backflush weekly with cafiza—and let it soak in there for an hour under >>>>> pressure if you can! It will keep your shots really nice. >>>>> >>>>> Best of luck, keep us posted! >>>>> b >>>>> >>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 13:56, peter riess <plri...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:plri...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably have a part >>>>>> time tub repair job! >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar point where >>>>>> it feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <awmeadem...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:awmeadem...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for a few >>>>>>> months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. When I did >>>>>>> plumb it, my water pressure was too high causing a leak in the machine >>>>>>> so I had to add a pressure regulator upstream from it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own this >>>>>>> machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've replaced several >>>>>>> parts including a control board, a heating element, a sensor, and for >>>>>>> whatever reason I am averaging going through about two pressurestat per >>>>>>> year (I buy them in bulk now). If you enjoy learning about these >>>>>>> machines and don't mind working on them, then go for it, but if you >>>>>>> don't, then steer clear. On the upside, this group is extremely >>>>>>> helpful as has been Whole Latte Love tech support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam boiler >>>>>>> followed by about 10 for the brew boiler. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <jason.b.sc...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:jason.b.sc...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can just stick >>>>>>> a hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that the rotary pump needs >>>>>>> a minimum water pressure to function, but I could be wrong there. >>>>>>> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as well. I’m >>>>>>> currently using a GCP so this would be a big upgrade. Maybe a huge time >>>>>>> suck as well.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol jug of good >>>>>>> H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the icemachine line and >>>>>>> figuring out an inline filter and some holes in counters, walls, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <jason....@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty universal >>>>>>>> (heating elements, steam/water controls, pstat, etc.) I think I'd be >>>>>>>> right there with you on the price. I would LIKELY pass on a leaking >>>>>>>> machine at $950, but would likely jump on it at $600-$700. The plumbed >>>>>>>> rotary IV version is quite a nice machine. My biggest gripe (which is >>>>>>>> a common one) is the lack of steam power, but there are ways to >>>>>>>> improve that with different tips/wands. I chose a higher-wattage steam >>>>>>>> element, and if the elements are due for replacement anyway, this is >>>>>>>> an option (but not a trivial option, as it does involve replacing >>>>>>>> wiring that's not intended for higher current). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. The ask is >>>>>>>> $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to pay much more than >>>>>>>> $600-700. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the end of the >>>>>>>> line for the brand. I gather these are no longer made and parts are >>>>>>>> harder to find than for an old Quick Mill, for example?? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>> <bre...@googlegroups.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey there Peter, >>>>>>>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: what >>>>>>>>> discount are you getting, how willing are you to replace/repair >>>>>>>>> parts, and as Pitcher said how handy are you? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no longer in >>>>>>>>> service), and now have an ECM (another E61 machine, very similar). At >>>>>>>>> 8 years, you are definitely into the phase where you will be >>>>>>>>> replacing things and I feel that’s to be expected. As to the lack of >>>>>>>>> descaling, that may or may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely >>>>>>>>> descaled my brewtus and didn’t have any buildup to mention. >>>>>>>>> Definitely not the case in all areas. As an aside, I’ve been using >>>>>>>>> the BWT system (WLL carries it) for maybe 6 years now and it is money >>>>>>>>> well spent. No more descaling is their claim, it’s been true for me >>>>>>>>> (I live in a different area now than I did with the B2 that didn’t >>>>>>>>> scale, harder water here). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to need >>>>>>>>> replacing relatively soon: >>>>>>>>> —both boiler elements >>>>>>>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>>>>>>> —pressurestat >>>>>>>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly solenoid/plunger >>>>>>>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper tubing to >>>>>>>>> the hot water boiler which is prone to clogging shut >>>>>>>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>>>>>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired with a >>>>>>>>> simple o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from a vendor—I have >>>>>>>>> a bag of 100 high temp/food grade and happy to send you one or more). >>>>>>>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Less likely but possible: >>>>>>>>> —PID >>>>>>>>> —Giemme control box >>>>>>>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>>>>>>> —seals for the wands >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount you’re >>>>>>>>> getting on the machine vs. new (and you like to work on machines), >>>>>>>>> I’d say go for it! In any case, you will know the machine well, and >>>>>>>>> since you’ll be doing future maintenance on any machine, it’s good >>>>>>>>> knowledge to have. Meanwhile, I’d just get the machine and use it, >>>>>>>>> fix the leak, and then be pleasantly surprised (and money ahead) for >>>>>>>>> the time that you don’t need to do the things I mentioned above. ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, that is >>>>>>>>> not normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak in mine ever, >>>>>>>>> unless a line blew or something like that. You should be able to >>>>>>>>> chase that down and fix it, I hope you can too Pitcher! Water under >>>>>>>>> the machine is one of those things that drains my energy fast—just >>>>>>>>> annoys the crap out of me I guess! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. It works >>>>>>>>> great, but it sets up FAST. You have to be really quick to get things >>>>>>>>> aligned, etc., especially on the pump assembly. I have always used >>>>>>>>> yellow teflon tape instead (you could add teflon paste over the tape >>>>>>>>> if you wish) and have never had a leak that I can recall. Just might >>>>>>>>> save you a little headache/heartburn. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <plr...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is coming >>>>>>>>>> from a spot under one of the boilers. I assume it was build for the >>>>>>>>>> states. My biggest concern I guess is the maintenance over the last >>>>>>>>>> 8 yrs... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher <ezekie...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. Mine is >>>>>>>>>>> 15 years old and it drips since I have owned it. I would have to >>>>>>>>>>> see where it is dripping from to give you a better idea. There are >>>>>>>>>>> some things to consider if you are going to purchase. How handy are >>>>>>>>>>> you? Some things I would recommend doing to your machine to make it >>>>>>>>>>> more hardy. Is the machine for the States or Overseas? The machine >>>>>>>>>>> was built for 220 v 10 amps. The States where I live are 120 v 20 >>>>>>>>>>> amps. The extra amps over time has caused some problems. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess <plr...@gmail.com <>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur apparently >>>>>>>>>>> it drips a small amount of discolored water as it warms up. >>>>>>>>>>> Collects on counter under machine. She's never descaled it for the >>>>>>>>>>> 8+/- yrs she's owned it. 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