Is this a system anyone has used? https://clivecoffee.com/products/water-softening-and-filtration-system?variant=7785245245468¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_term=&utm_campaign=US+%7C+S+Shopping+%7C+Best+Sellers+%5BNew%5D&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_tgt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_src=x&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_mt=&hsa_ver=3&hsa_ad=&hsa_acc=5425615321&hsa_kw=&hsa_cam=18136404951&gclid=CjwKCAjwxr2iBhBJEiwAdXECw-tNoq6ojxwqmGu9jtILZSRVx0ij1oftppdLzj3XOcMpWrSQ9GiFoRoC4QsQAvD_BwE#reviews
> On May 2, 2023, at 9:20 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus > <brewtus@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hey Jason! > I’ll have to check out that Govee plug—a remodel here resulted in a few > devices on a 20A circuit that shouldn’t be, I wonder if it will help. I throw > a breaker once in a while when they all cycle on at once by coincidence. > > Re: filtration not helping a hard water supply—it depends. The BWT does in > fact claim to reduce or eliminate minerals and scale (and in my experience it > lives up to that claim—both with TDS testing and with empirical results when > I swapped a heating element). But just a basic water filter wouldn’t. Since > BWT is specifically intended for espresso, it also has a bypass setting that > lets you choose how much mineral is going into the machine and shot, so you > don’t eliminate all minerals—i.e. distilled water would produce a flavorless > shot, relatively speaking. Having used the BWT setup for maybe 6 years now, > I’m totally dumbfounded that it’s not sold with every machine ever. > > Cheers! > b > >> On May 2, 2023, at 07:53, Jason Scott <jason.b.sc...@gmail.com >> <mailto:jason.b.sc...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Being on filtration is good... but still doesn't do anything to a hard water >> supply. Some parts of the country don't suffer from this curse, but if >> you're in hard water country, it's something to be aware of. >> As for the "heavy duty timer", all you need is a smart plug! I bought the >> Govee Smart plug, set up a quick schedule for it on my phone, and now I have >> a custom on/off schedule for every day of the week! It's also worth noting >> that I have the upgraded steam heating element that draws a FULL (measured) >> 2,000w of power, and the Govee has handled it just fine. I bought a 4-pack >> of them just in case this amount of power chewed through them, but I'm at >> least 6 months in on the first plug and it's working great. >> Even the control board CAN be repaired (if you're remotely handy). The 2kw >> steam element quickly burned out the steam heater relay on the control >> board, but it was trivial to simply bypass that and route the traces to an >> external heavy duty 20A relay. As others have said, they're GREAT machines >> for tinkerers! >> >> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 9:18:57 AM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>> It’s on my ever growing shopping list... >>> >>> >>>> On May 2, 2023, at 8:01 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>> <bre...@googlegroups.com <>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> Same. Does that make us sort of reverse-lurkers or something? I.e. >>>> formerly active and now not? >>>> >>>> Peter—one other thought re: warmup time—a heavy duty timer is your friend! >>>> >>>> b >>>> >>>>> On May 2, 2023, at 05:25, Herman Dickens <herman...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey Ben! It's been a while. Sorry I've been flying under the radar. >>>>> >>>>> Herman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:06 PM 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>> <bre...@googlegroups.com <>> wrote: >>>>>> Hey Herman! >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 19:23, Herman Dickens <herman...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sounds like a good deal to me. I have one of the original BII's still >>>>>>> running part time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Herman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:25 PM peter riess <plr...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Update - It’s been on a filtration system since it was purchased and >>>>>>>> it comes with a back stock of replacement parts. I feel pretty >>>>>>>> confident and at $600, maybe worth the future trouble? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>> <bre...@googlegroups.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ps one way you can do This is just to go ahead and replace everything >>>>>>>>> that can fail. Then you basically get a new machine with your own >>>>>>>>> labor to blame for any failures, ha ha. That would definitely get you >>>>>>>>> a period of reliability, but possibly with unnecessary expense up >>>>>>>>> front. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 16:16, peter riess <plr...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ben, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Every few months? That may be more that I can stand… $700 is >>>>>>>>>> sounding expensive at that rate. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wonder how much time and money do you think Expobar owners are >>>>>>>>>> spending on annual maintenance? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:02 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>> <bre...@googlegroups.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A bunch of great advice here. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Plumbed/vs water jug. Soooooo nice to have it plumbed. Even nicer >>>>>>>>>>> to have the drain plumbed. Having done both with my current >>>>>>>>>>> machine, I’d never go back. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pitcher’s advice re: bigger heating element is good; you can also >>>>>>>>>>> adjust the pressure stat to set the steam boiler to its max, around >>>>>>>>>>> 1.45 bar if memory serves. This made a world of difference for me >>>>>>>>>>> vs. stock settings. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As to the multiple failed p-stats per year (that is quite >>>>>>>>>>> exceptional Adam!), I don’t recall the brand but we used to discuss >>>>>>>>>>> switching to a non-stock model that was available at Chris’ Coffee >>>>>>>>>>> and maybe Espresso Parts. It was great (Jaeger maybe?). Search my >>>>>>>>>>> old posts and you’ll find it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Heat time—half hour is about right, to really get the group head up >>>>>>>>>>> to temp (which is the strength of this machine’s design, as is the >>>>>>>>>>> case with all E61’s). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Price—$700 max sounds reasonable. You could always mention this >>>>>>>>>>> group and the consensus here? By about 10 years of age, I was >>>>>>>>>>> working on my machine every few months, and after about 2 more >>>>>>>>>>> years of that, went with the ECM instead. Holy crap have they >>>>>>>>>>> gotten expensive though! The ECM likes to eat vacuum breakers, and >>>>>>>>>>> also they have a silicon tube that goes from the vacuum breaker to >>>>>>>>>>> the drip tray (a nice touch, keeps the steam condensation out of >>>>>>>>>>> the housing). That tubing rots regularly also. I’ve done one >>>>>>>>>>> element, very easy replacement method. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> By the by, I mentioned using teflon tape instead of the liquid >>>>>>>>>>> sealant. Another plus there—you’ll get to know the joy of removing >>>>>>>>>>> a heating element from a Brewtus if it’s glued in with the factory >>>>>>>>>>> sealant—definitely need a friend with an impact hammer and a way to >>>>>>>>>>> clamp the boiler in a vise without bending it. With teflon tape, >>>>>>>>>>> the remove/replace is worlds easier. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rotary and PID were great (I upgraded to both on my B2)—the vibe >>>>>>>>>>> pump was a regular replacement item also; the rotary never needed >>>>>>>>>>> work other than setting the pressure when I installed it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Backflush weekly with cafiza—and let it soak in there for an hour >>>>>>>>>>> under pressure if you can! It will keep your shots really nice. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, keep us posted! >>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 13:56, peter riess <plr...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably have a >>>>>>>>>>>> part time tub repair job! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar point >>>>>>>>>>>> where it feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <awmea...@gmail.com <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for a >>>>>>>>>>>>> few months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. >>>>>>>>>>>>> When I did plumb it, my water pressure was too high causing a >>>>>>>>>>>>> leak in the machine so I had to add a pressure regulator upstream >>>>>>>>>>>>> from it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own >>>>>>>>>>>>> this machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've >>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced several parts including a control board, a heating >>>>>>>>>>>>> element, a sensor, and for whatever reason I am averaging going >>>>>>>>>>>>> through about two pressurestat per year (I buy them in bulk now). >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you enjoy learning about these machines and don't mind working >>>>>>>>>>>>> on them, then go for it, but if you don't, then steer clear. On >>>>>>>>>>>>> the upside, this group is extremely helpful as has been Whole >>>>>>>>>>>>> Latte Love tech support. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>>>>> followed by about 10 for the brew boiler. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <jason....@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just stick a hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rotary pump needs a minimum water pressure to function, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be wrong there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well. I’m currently using a GCP so this would be a big upgrade. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe a huge time suck as well.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol jug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of good H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the icemachine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line and figuring out an inline filter and some holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counters, walls, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <jason....@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty universal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (heating elements, steam/water controls, pstat, etc.) I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be right there with you on the price. I would LIKELY pass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a leaking machine at $950, but would likely jump on it at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV version is quite a nice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. My biggest gripe (which is a common one) is the lack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of steam power, but there are ways to improve that with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different tips/wands. I chose a higher-wattage steam element, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if the elements are due for replacement anyway, this is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option (but not a trivial option, as it does involve replacing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiring that's not intended for higher current). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ask is $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay much more than $600-700. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end of the line for the brand. I gather these are no longer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made and parts are harder to find than for an old Quick Mill, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bre...@googlegroups.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey there Peter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what discount are you getting, how willing are you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace/repair parts, and as Pitcher said how handy are you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer in service), and now have an ECM (another E61 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, very similar). At 8 years, you are definitely into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phase where you will be replacing things and I feel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, that may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely descaled my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brewtus and didn’t have any buildup to mention. Definitely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the case in all areas. As an aside, I’ve been using the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BWT system (WLL carries it) for maybe 6 years now and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money well spent. No more descaling is their claim, it’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been true for me (I live in a different area now than I did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the B2 that didn’t scale, harder water here). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need replacing relatively soon: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —both boiler elements >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —pressurestat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solenoid/plunger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tubing to the hot water boiler which is prone to clogging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a simple o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a vendor—I have a bag of 100 high temp/food grade and happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to send you one or more). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Less likely but possible: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —PID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Giemme control box >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the wands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re getting on the machine vs. new (and you like to work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on machines), I’d say go for it! In any case, you will know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine well, and since you’ll be doing future >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge to have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I’d just get the machine and use it, fix the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leak, and then be pleasantly surprised (and money ahead) for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time that you don’t need to do the things I mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above. ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is not normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mine ever, unless a line blew or something like that. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to chase that down and fix it, I hope you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one of those things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that drains my energy fast—just annoys the crap out of me I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It works great, but it sets up FAST. You have to be really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick to get things aligned, etc., especially on the pump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assembly. I have always used yellow teflon tape instead (you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could add teflon paste over the tape if you wish) and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never had a leak that I can recall. Just might save you a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little headache/heartburn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <plr...@gmail.com <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming from a spot under one of the boilers. I assume it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was build for the states. My biggest concern I guess is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ezekie...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mine is 15 years old and it drips since I have owned it. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have to see where it is dripping from to give you a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better idea. There are some things to consider if you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to purchase. How handy are you? Some things I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend doing to your machine to make it more hardy. Is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine for the States or Overseas? The machine was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built for 220 v 10 amps. The States where I live are 120 v >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20 amps. The extra amps over time has caused some problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <plr...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently it drips a small amount of discolored water as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it warms up. Collects on counter under machine. She's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's owned it. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure about her water quality but she has it on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the dripping raise a hairy red flag?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any feedback! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to brewtus+u...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. 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