Sounds like a good deal to me. I have one of the original BII's still running part time.
Herman On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:25 PM peter riess <plri...@gmail.com> wrote: > Update - It’s been on a filtration system since it was purchased and it > comes with a back stock of replacement parts. I feel pretty confident and > at $600, maybe worth the future trouble? > > > On May 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < > brewtus@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Ps one way you can do This is just to go ahead and replace everything that > can fail. Then you basically get a new machine with your own labor to blame > for any failures, ha ha. That would definitely get you a period of > reliability, but possibly with unnecessary expense up front. > > b > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 1, 2023, at 16:16, peter riess <plri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ben, > > Every few months? That may be more that I can stand… $700 is sounding > expensive at that rate. > > I wonder how much time and money do you think Expobar owners are spending > on annual maintenance? > > Cheers, > > Peter > > On May 1, 2023, at 5:02 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < > brewtus@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > A bunch of great advice here. > > Plumbed/vs water jug. Soooooo nice to have it plumbed. Even nicer to have > the drain plumbed. Having done both with my current machine, I’d never go > back. > > Pitcher’s advice re: bigger heating element is good; you can also adjust > the pressure stat to set the steam boiler to its max, around 1.45 bar if > memory serves. This made a world of difference for me vs. stock settings. > > As to the multiple failed p-stats per year (that is quite exceptional > Adam!), I don’t recall the brand but we used to discuss switching to a > non-stock model that was available at Chris’ Coffee and maybe Espresso > Parts. It was great (Jaeger maybe?). Search my old posts and you’ll find it. > > Heat time—half hour is about right, to really get the group head up to > temp (which is the strength of this machine’s design, as is the case with > all E61’s). > > Price—$700 max sounds reasonable. You could always mention this group and > the consensus here? By about 10 years of age, I was working on my machine > every few months, and after about 2 more years of that, went with the ECM > instead. Holy crap have they gotten expensive though! The ECM likes to eat > vacuum breakers, and also they have a silicon tube that goes from the > vacuum breaker to the drip tray (a nice touch, keeps the steam condensation > out of the housing). That tubing rots regularly also. I’ve done one > element, very easy replacement method. > > By the by, I mentioned using teflon tape instead of the liquid sealant. > Another plus there—you’ll get to know the joy of removing a heating element > from a Brewtus if it’s glued in with the factory sealant—definitely need a > friend with an impact hammer and a way to clamp the boiler in a vise > without bending it. With teflon tape, the remove/replace is worlds easier. > > Rotary and PID were great (I upgraded to both on my B2)—the vibe pump was > a regular replacement item also; the rotary never needed work other than > setting the pressure when I installed it. > > Backflush weekly with cafiza—and let it soak in there for an hour under > pressure if you can! It will keep your shots really nice. > > Best of luck, keep us posted! > b > > On May 1, 2023, at 13:56, peter riess <plri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably have a part > time tub repair job! > > Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar point where it > feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. > > On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <awmeadem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for a few > months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. When I did plumb > it, my water pressure was too high causing a leak in the machine so I had > to add a pressure regulator upstream from it. > > I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own this > machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've replaced several parts > including a control board, a heating element, a sensor, and for whatever > reason I am averaging going through about two pressurestat per year (I buy > them in bulk now). If you enjoy learning about these machines and don't > mind working on them, then go for it, but if you don't, then steer clear. > On the upside, this group is extremely helpful as has been Whole Latte > Love tech support. > > For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam boiler followed > by about 10 for the brew boiler. > > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <jason.b.sc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can just stick a >> hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that the rotary pump needs a >> minimum water pressure to function, but I could be wrong there. >> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >> >> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >> >>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as well. I’m >>> currently using a GCP so this would be a big upgrade. Maybe a huge time >>> suck as well.. >>> >>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>> >>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol jug of good >>> H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the icemachine line and figuring >>> out an inline filter and some holes in counters, walls, etc. >>> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <jason....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty universal (heating >>> elements, steam/water controls, pstat, etc.) I think I'd be right there >>> with you on the price. I would LIKELY pass on a leaking machine at $950, >>> but would likely jump on it at $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV version is >>> quite a nice machine. My biggest gripe (which is a common one) is the lack >>> of steam power, but there are ways to improve that with different >>> tips/wands. I chose a higher-wattage steam element, and if the elements are >>> due for replacement anyway, this is an option (but not a trivial option, as >>> it does involve replacing wiring that's not intended for higher current). >>> >>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. The ask is >>>> $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to pay much more than >>>> $600-700. >>>> >>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the end of the >>>> line for the brand. I gather these are no longer made and parts are harder >>>> to find than for an old Quick Mill, for example?? >>>> >>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < >>>> bre...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey there Peter, >>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: what >>>> discount are you getting, how willing are you to replace/repair parts, and >>>> as Pitcher said how handy are you? >>>> >>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no longer in >>>> service), and now have an ECM (another E61 machine, very similar). At 8 >>>> years, you are definitely into the phase where you will be replacing things >>>> and I feel that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, that may or >>>> may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely descaled my brewtus and didn’t >>>> have any buildup to mention. Definitely not the case in all areas. As an >>>> aside, I’ve been using the BWT system (WLL carries it) for maybe 6 years >>>> now and it is money well spent. No more descaling is their claim, it’s been >>>> true for me (I live in a different area now than I did with the B2 that >>>> didn’t scale, harder water here). >>>> >>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to need >>>> replacing relatively soon: >>>> —both boiler elements >>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>> —pressurestat >>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly solenoid/plunger >>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper tubing to the >>>> hot water boiler which is prone to clogging shut >>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired with a >>>> simple o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from a vendor—I have a bag >>>> of 100 high temp/food grade and happy to send you one or more). >>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>> >>>> Less likely but possible: >>>> —PID >>>> —Giemme control box >>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>> —seals for the wands >>>> >>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount you’re >>>> getting on the machine vs. new (and you like to work on machines), I’d say >>>> go for it! In any case, you will know the machine well, and since you’ll be >>>> doing future maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge to have. >>>> Meanwhile, I’d just get the machine and use it, fix the leak, and then be >>>> pleasantly surprised (and money ahead) for the time that you don’t need to >>>> do the things I mentioned above. ;) >>>> >>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, that is >>>> not normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak in mine ever, unless a >>>> line blew or something like that. You should be able to chase that down and >>>> fix it, I hope you can too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one of those >>>> things that drains my energy fast—just annoys the crap out of me I guess! >>>> >>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. It works >>>> great, but it sets up FAST. You have to be really quick to get things >>>> aligned, etc., especially on the pump assembly. I have always used yellow >>>> teflon tape instead (you could add teflon paste over the tape if you wish) >>>> and have never had a leak that I can recall. Just might save you a little >>>> headache/heartburn. >>>> >>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>> >>>> b >>>> >>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <plr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is coming from >>>> a spot under one of the boilers. I assume it was build for the states. My >>>> biggest concern I guess is the maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>>> >>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher <ezekie...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. Mine is 15 >>>> years old and it drips since I have owned it. I would have to see where it >>>> is dripping from to give you a better idea. There are some things to >>>> consider if you are going to purchase. How handy are you? Some things I >>>> would recommend doing to your machine to make it more hardy. Is the machine >>>> for the States or Overseas? The machine was built for 220 v 10 amps. The >>>> States where I live are 120 v 20 amps. The extra amps over time has caused >>>> some problems. >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess <plr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur apparently it >>>>> drips a small amount of discolored water as it warms up. Collects on >>>>> counter under machine. She's never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's >>>>> owned >>>>> it. 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