Jon Gabriel wrote: > >From: Jean-Louis Couturier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Admin: Server access blocked > >Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:43:27 -0500 > > > >At 21:26 2002-12-04 -0600, Marvin wrote: > > > >>At this point I'd say that if someone disagrees, it's his obligation to > >>say so. > >> > >>Marvin Long > >>Austin, Texas > >>Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA) > > > >OK then, I disagree. This whole situation is giving me the creeps. > >Unlike most people, I don't think anyone's actually in the right here, > >everyone's wrong. >
> By the way, no one has "kicked Jeroen out". He has been asked to change > behavior and cease actions that would have been the result of a complete, > not temporary ban on many other listservs. AFAIK, he has an open-ended > invitation from Nick and Julia to come back when he is willing to stop > attacking people. Actually no. *If* I got it correctly from Nick, at the moment he's kind of off the list for an indefinite period of time. And if you ask me at current he doesn't have much of a chance to return. > Since he refuses to change his behavior and has in fact > been escalating his attacks against Brin-L members, it's listowners and > server privately and publicly, you might say he is trying to remove > *himself* from the list. I for one hold the position that where two fight there are two at fault. So just to get things balanced a bit, and to make said point, I'd like to recall another incident besides those you here mention (and for which the difference in interpretation, from my European vantage point and being close to Jeroen , seems to be solely based on cultural and language differences as well as misunderstandings in interpretation of the written word, while taking for granted certain biases inherent to respective interpretations and an obstinate and uncompromising unwillingness to even try to find common ground or to remain in peacefull disagreement for ever by both sides). So just for the record I also clearly remember Erik for one being particularly nasty and very childish in harrasing Jeroen even after several repeated requests from a lot of listmembers to cut it out and leave Jeroen alone. Strangly enough that never had any consequences whatsoever for Erik, although his behaviour was at least partial to the disruptiveness resulting. And while I do not explicitly object to (if there must be something stupid like it at all that is) there being some consequenses for disruptive behaviour (although I'd rather see them disappear and listmembers behave at least according to their age) I do however very strongly object to the randomness of those consequenses resulting from rather vague ideas about list policy and (if you ask me) personal dislikes from a few that unfortunately make up a very strong and vocal group. Sonja Pfew... long sentences Maru. ;o). Can you tell I have a degree?.... <grin> _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
