> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 01:04 PM
> To: Killer Bs Discussion
> Subject: Re: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance' 
> 
> 1. The people protesting the war don't give a damn
> about Iraqi civilians - they're just a prop to attack
> the US with and

That's not just incorrect, its insulting.  

> 2. In Afghanistan there were well under 1000 civilian 
> casualties by most estimates, but idiot war protesters still 
> go around talking about more than 4000 - a made up number 
> based on the Taliban's own figures.

Idiot war protesters?  How about the idiot war mongers who claim the war will be over 
in days, or who claim an AQ/Saddam link?

> Incidentally, the profound racism of the opponents of
> the war - people who basically claim that Arabs don't
> want to be free, deserve to live under the rule of
> someone like Saddam, and that a single
> American/British life isn't worth freeing millions of
> Arabs - is something that I haven't seen explored
> nearly enough.  Those of us in favor of freedom should
> not be afraid to name freedom's enemies as the bigots
> that they actually are.

Again, I find this insulting and tactless.  Withdraw your broadbrush claim of racism, 
please.

> What we're going to end up doing, I think, is setting
> up a democratic government and then acting as security 
> guarantors for Iraq's borders, while pumping aid and advice 
> into the country.  That's a model that might actually work 
> pretty well.  The Kurds, for example, seem to be in favor of 
> it.

Ah yes, the Kurds, who we sold out in the 90's, and again recently, when we agreed to 
prevent them from having autonomy in exchange for Turkish bases. Yes, they're great 
friends of ours, aren't they?

Further, this administration has proven clearly they're not interested in humanitarian 
aid to these countries;  what's YOUR explanation of the lack of money for Afghanistan 
in the latest budget proposal?

> Second, I think you underestimate the extent to which
> memories are short term.  There is very little
> coverage of what is actually going on in Afghanistan
> right now in the world media.  That's partly because
> the situation is better now than it probably ever has
> been in Afghan history

Hardly true.  Random ambushes, sniper attacks, and general banditry persist outside 
the capitol zone controlled by the NA, and its not reported on because the press has 
moved on, not because its not happening.

-j-
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