----- Original Message ----- From: "Miller, Jeffrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: RE: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance'
> -----Original Message----- > From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 03:05 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: EU Warns Iraq It Faces 'Last Chance' > > > I see. You are so concerned about the people of Iraq > that you are willing to do - what, exactly, to help > them? Nothing, of course. As is usual with you, > Jeroen, you criticize constantly but propose nothing. > You're awfully fond of challenges, Jeroen, so here's > one to you. Here's one for you - can you respond without insulting or attacking anyone? > What _should_ be done in Iraq? What do > you propose? I await your brilliant solution to the > problem of a totalitarian sociopath with weapons of > mass destruction, a nuclear weapons program, and a > proven desire to dominate the world's most important > strategic commodity. Gosh, I don't know - I thought not talking to N Korea was the right answer this week... oh wait! You meant IRAQ!! See, you confused me, since Iraq doesn't have WMD, a nuclear program, and we've militarily contained him for over a decade (and last I heard, we had no licsenced psychologist's report on his state of mind..) > While doing so, I also eagerly await the evidence of > how you were so concerned with the people of Iraq for > the last 20 years or so. Also, unless you believe > that a million Iraqi civilians will die in the war - > and if you believe that, you're a fool, which I think > is not true - explain how as many Iraqis will die in > the war as will continue to die under Saddam? >What a strawman - accuse him of racism and then answer his protests against such argumentative slander >with this? Its not actually a strawman http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23009-2003Feb17.html gives a fairly balanced appraisal of the problem. >> If people like you had run Europe in the 1930s - well, >> we know the answer to that question, right, because >> people like you _did_. For a continent so obsessed >> with its history, y'all show an astonishing ability to >> not learn from it. >Time out. Calling Jereon a Nazi is (or should be) offensive to everyone. This is WAY out of bounds. To the best of my knowledge, he is being called another Chamberlin, not another Hitler. > That puppet German government, the way it always does > exactly what we say - that's so convenient, isn't it? > Out of curiosity, what happened to the puppet > governments we set up in France, Germany, and Italy? >I fail to see the connection, since the US /has/ maintained a huge military presence in Europe since WW2, and >Jereon was not speaking towards Europe, to boot. Where are the puppet governments of Europe after we won control of Western Europe in WWII? >The ludicrous point is that people are upset that this IS about oil. Damn right, protecting the price of oil is a >huge part of our foreign policy, and it SHOULD be. No hard feelings, but that's just wrong. Iraq has always been willing to supply oil. The only thing driving prices way up is uncertainty. The only way this fight is about oil is that it would be a very bad thing if Hussein controlled all the Mid-East oil. Otherwise, all the US needs are suppliers motivated by self interest. When the sactions were sorta lifted in the mid-90s, Hussein sold 3 million gallons a day. So, how is this about oil? >Of course, it SHOULD be counterbalanced by non-military means of projecting power, and a domestic policy >that promoted finding alternatives and reducing dependance on volitle foreign oil, but gosh.. I agree we should promote nuclear power. :-) Dan M. -j- _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
