--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That murder stops someone from living (thinking, moving, 
communicating,
> etc.) is verifiable and obvious. True, it is a belief that one 
shouldn't
> stop someone else from living against their will, but it is a belief
> that follows quite easily from comparison of empirical observation 
of
> the results of murder with noting one's own will to live. The 
founding
> fathers of America might have called it a "self-evident truth" 
instead
> of a belief.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The Founding Fathers considered the existance of a Creator to 
be "self-evident" as well, so I don't think that you are appealing to 
a source whom you want to consider authoritative.

Moreover, isn't there a difference between "self-evidence" 
and "knowledge"?    I don't see how you can describe the above 
as "knowledge."

Indeed, if I was on an island society, and I was endowed with the 
only gun on the island, I might not consider a law prohibiting murder 
to be all-that-self-evident.   But, if the island society imposed a 
law prohibiting murder on me against my will, would that law be evil?

Most importantly, what about my other questions?   What is your 
opinion of those other laws?

Indeed, consider the following law - what about laws prohibiting 
incest and sex with minors?  For example, what if a certain extended 
family believes that child development is furthered by arranging for 
the child to have an early sexual experience before puberty with a 
close relative, to "show them the ropes" so to speak.   Would a law 
imposing the belief that incest and sex with minors is wrong on this 
family be evil?   

JDG

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