--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Coffey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States
>
>
> >
> > --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Robert Seeberger wrote:
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:02 PM
> > > > Subject: Most Dangerous States
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>http://www.morganquitno.com/dang02.htm
> > > >>
> > > >>Nevada 7th most dangerous
> > > >>Texas 14th
> > > >>New York 24th
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You forgot to mention California is 13th.
> > > >
> > >
> > > No, I didn't forget, I just didn't think it had any relevance in the
> > > current discussion. If anything, since California's rate is about
> > > the same as Texas and it is listed as less dangerous than Nevada, it
> > > falsifies Jan's implication that Nevada and Texas are much safer (or
> > > much more "polite").
> > >
> > > Doug
> >
> > I didn't say that, I said that ~I~ felt safer.
> >
> > But as long as we are at it, it wouldn't have falsified it if that had
> been
> > what I meant. California has the strictst gun laws and yet there are 37
> > "safer" states even by their standards. Europe is no shining example
> either.
> >
> > That's not even get into the issue of showing corolation. Texas before
> > concealed carry and Texas after would me a better test.
>
> Not unnormalized. New York showed a more significant drop in crime after
> Texas adopted a concealed carry law than did Texas. Indeed, before the law
> was enacted, New York had a higher violent crime rate. Now, Texas does.
>
> I was able to find a decent site for comparing states. Its at:
>
> http://149.101.22.40/dataonline/Search/Crime/State/StateCrime.cfm
>
> The official Bureau of Justice website seems to me to be a good source of
> data on crime.
>
> Lets look at the violent crime rate for New York and Texas from '95 onward.
> It is
> N.Y. Texas
> 1990 1,180.90 761.4
> 1991 1,163.90 840.1
> 1992 1,122.10 806.3
> 1993 1,073.50 762.1
> 1994 965.6 706.5
> 1995 841.9 663.9
> 1996 727 644.4
> 1997 688.6 602.5
> 1998 637.8 564.6
> 1999 588.8 560.3
> 2000 553.9 545.1
> 2001 516 572.8
>
> IIRC, the concealed carry law was instituted somewhere around '95 to '96.
> It seems clear to me that NY's crime rate fell much more than Texas's
> during that time.
>
> So, there really isn't any evidence that the concealed gun law cut the
> crime rate.
>
There also is no evidence that it didn't.
Atr the same time Texas was trying to keep more freedoms New York was
inacting more and more strict laws which, while reducing the crime rate, aslo
affected the freedoms of the law abiding citizen. So if there is any
corolation, (which you have not shown) it would be that taking away peoples
freedoms reduces crime. But we knew that already. Look for stats on Rusian
crime during the harsh soviet years, or crime in Germany during the 3ed Rich.
If anything these stats support that in Texas consealed carry redueced crime.
But yet, (unfortunaly for me) they don't prove anything becouse there is
still no corolation.
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