----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pledge of Allegence


> At 10:26 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
> >> At 09:38 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
> >> >There are a number of Texans who make a big deal out of Texas
> >having
> >> >been a sovereign nation before it was a state, and maybe this
> >pledge
> >> >thing fits in with that mindset.
> >>
> >> I suspect that this thing has as much to do with "Lost Cause
> >Confederacy"
> >> as anything else.
> >
> >Absolutely not!
> >Thats a completely different issue and one that has less strength
in
> >Texas than elsewhere.
>
> Gautam and Dan are the "Lost Cause" experts, but to the extent that
I have
> encountered the modern incarnation of "Lost Cause Theory" it has
been based
> on the idea that each States retains its individual sovereignty, and
indeed
> should and aught to have the right to secede from the Union at any
time.
> Again, in many ways similar to envisioning the United States as
being more
> similar to The European Union than as a proper "country."     It
seems to
> me that a pledge to the State of Texas of designed to reinforce the
notion
> that Texas remains a sovereign entity, that should and aught to have
had
> the right to secede whenever it wanted, and that it is analogous to
the UK
> within the European Union.
>

I figure you missed the point of my previous message.

Texas is the ***only*** nation to have become a state. It was never a
territory or area that was previously claimed by the US. It was not
conquered territory. It was a country.

That is the root of Texas' prideful character. It has nothing to do
with the Civil War.

xponent
Alamo Maru
rob


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