--- Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What nonsense! Every Evangelical leader should place
> Muhammad
> among the precursors of the Reform, a minor
> reformism before
> Luther did the right thing! :-)

Reform means many things.  Muhammed was a reformer
from polytheism to structured monotheism, with the
addition of written transcription of the prophet's
exact words - a technological breakthrough un-utilized
by Moses, Jesus, Buddha, etc... but utilized first by
Paul of Tarsus in his Letters.

Other "reforms" have often followed a pattern.  Some
humans seem to need an intercessionary religion, with
priests standing between you and Heaven, making sure
the procedural rituals are done right, while others
want direct interface.  The Pharisees where rebels
against the Temple priests.  When the Temple was
destroyed, Rabbinic Judaism became individualistic...
except amid messianic sub-groups.

Paul's orthodoxy raised up a priesthood.  The
Protestant Reformation satisfied the long frustrated
individualistic drive.  In  Protestant dominated
America, those with intercession-leanings flocked in
droves to Mormonism when it erupted to satisfy that
need.

Within Islam, Shiites are far more priestly and
intercessionist than Sunnis.

As far as I know, I've seen no one else raise this way
of seeing things.  Anybody know of religious writings
that look at it this way?  I may write an article.

The "apocalypts" come from a protestant tradition. 
But their obsession with process... with a prescribed
stage drama and precise procedures of
reward/punishment... seems to be a frantic rush toward
the priestly and incatatory approach, away from the
contingent and practical tradition of mainline
protestantism. 

The capper is their obsession with that most priestly
of all symbolic edifices, the Temple in Jerusalem,
which fell in 70 AD, another apocalypse-obsessed era. 
Few Jews are at all interested in rebuilding it and
having guys named Cohen go back to sacrificing goats. 
Many bless the presence of the Dome of the Rock for
preventing that.  Much to the puzzlement of Left
Behind fans who see the rebuilding as a key event
triggering that lovely-expected end of the world.

Oh, one more item.  I have heard that in 1799, the
most popular book in Europe was one that tied every
line of Revelations to Napolean and other political
figures of that time.  Anybody care to track down if
that's true or not, and the name of the book?

Apocalypts don't seem to care that Hal Lindsey's THE
LATE, GREAT PLANET EARTH, which was revered almost as
anothoer gospel and began the modern apocalyptic
obsession, linked Revelations to the Soviet Union. 
While Le Haye and the newbies link it to Islam.  Ah, flexibility.
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