At 07:27 AM 4/28/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett  wrote:
>On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:25:51 -0400, JDG wrote
>
>> On the other hand, seriously considering the opinion of another is
>> typically an adult-to-adult relationship.    It would be rather nonsensical
>> to use a child/permission slip metaphor to argue against an adult-to-
>> adult dynamic of seriously considering the opinions of others.
>
>And you're saying this in *defense* of Bush and Cheney?  You've just said
that
>the metaphor is nonsensical in relationship to the United States and the
>United Nations.  Bush and Cheney used it to describe that relationship!  
>
>So, which is it?  Using the metaphor in this context is nonsensical or not?

No, Nick, the metaphor is not nonsensical in relationship to the US and the
UN - and I never said that it was.

I am personally flabbergasted that you cannot yet connect the dots, but let
me try again.

The Bush Administration has never had a problem with seriously considering
the opinions of other nations before acting.   As such, the Bush
Administration has never used a metaphor to make seriously considering the
opinions of other nations appear repulsive, as Dave Land suggested.

The Bush Administration does have a problem, however, with the widespread
idea that the US should only engage in certain actions with the approval of
the United Nations.   In particularly, the Bush Administration has strongly
disagreed with those people who suggested that a specific reauthorization
from the United Nations should have been a necessary prerequisite for the
US to have attacked Iraq in Gulf War II.

The Bush Administration used the child/permission slip analogy to make this
*latter* viewpoint, that the US must gain the *permission* of the UN
Security Council before activing, appear repulsive and appear to be
reducing our great nation to childishness.

On the other hand, it would be nonsensical to use that metaphor for
seriously considering the opinion of other nations.  

JDG

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