>we can score it, and give the sheets back to the captains.
>then, say it's scored out of 16, we then publish all the teams with 1-10
and
>call that 'Band B Spirit' and publish the names of all teams with 11-16 as
>'Band A Spirit'. there  just shouldn't be an outright winner! i think i've
>given good reasons for that.

>then we get general info, more than one team gets recognition, captains get
>more detailed feedback - everybody wins! (not that winning is important in
>this, as i have been arguing!)

If a TD wants to do to this, no one will stop him/her. That is fine. From
what I read from this discussion the UK league TD wants to use a Spirit
scoring system and opts for the BULA/WFDF system (I am located in Portugal
so I don't know your system). That is fine. My own tournament (the legendary
Bar do Peixe tournament) does not use the BULA system. We frequently vote
for the best song because there is hardly any bad spirit.

Leave it up to the TD to decide.

Keep 'em flying

Patrick


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of peter robert wright
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:37 PM
To: Patrick van der Valk
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BD] do we need spirit prizes at all?

2008/7/16 Patrick van der Valk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Rodders,
>
> You take life too serious. (and I have a feeling you like to discuss :-)


Have you and I met before, because that description is absolutely on the
money!


>
>
> Lighten up. If a TD doesn't want to reward the best spirited team, they
> shouldn't. No one is forcing them to. Allow the rest of us to celebrate
the
> team which others think has the best Spirit. And if we do, let's use the
> most objective system available.
>
>


>
> >so in summary:
> >a: we shouldn't reward people for something that is expected
> >b: even if we wanted to, any scoring system will be interpreted too many
> >ways by different people for it to be the basis of a prize
>
> But in your first email you said we should do the scoring. So what good is
> that if you think that the score doesn't represent the facts? Sounds like
a
> futile exercise to me. Either you score and use the outcome, or you don't
> score at all.


we can score it, and give the sheets back to the captains.

then, say it's scored out of 16, we then publish all the teams with 1-10 and
call that 'Band B Spirit' and publish the names of all teams with 11-16 as
'Band A Spirit'. there  just shouldn't be an outright winner! i think i've
given good reasons for that.

then we get general info, more than one team gets recognition, captains get
more detailed feedback - everybody wins! (not that winning is important in
this, as i have been arguing!)


>
> We should celebrate good Spirit using a system that is as objective as
> possible and show 'offenders' where they went wrong so they can improve.
>
> Spirit rules!


totally!


>
>
> See you on the beach.
>
>
yeah - we'll be the ones losing the semi-final in sudden death....


>
> Patrick van der Valk
> President  - Beach Ultimate Lovers Association
> http://beachultimate.org/blog
>
>
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