> If you want to play "a fast moving refereed, contact sport played with a flying disc" that's fine but please don't call it Ultimate.
Agreed! Start a new sport without leaning on the name Ultimate. Build a new sport on your own. Don't destroy the one we love because you need the legitimacy and the Ultimate "brand name". Patrick -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BD] Major League Ultimate 2009 The unfortunate part is that it suggests that in order to have an "elite" level game/league we have to have referees. Personally I'm in favour of line observers FOR LINE CALLS ONLY, at an elite level as it is not really possible to call yourself in/out and be 100% commited to making a catch. Referees, however, changes the entire nature of the game. IMHO it is not possible to have a non-contact, refereed sport and to me Ultimate is "a fast moving non-contact sport played with a flying disc". Note "Ultimate" not "ultimate" and "sport" not "game". If you want to play "a fast moving refereed, contact sport played with a flying disc" that's fine but please don't call it Ultimate. Interestingly you are also throwing out the one element of the sport which is apparently causing so much interest with secondary school PE teachers. Sad. Paul >>> of course thats why twenty20 was introduced, to make it more marketable, but the game still changed massively, im thinking compared to test cricket. i think it depends on what you class as the "essence" of ultimate (although i do still think the "essence" can change over time). is it the spirit or is it that "ultimate is a fast moving game played with a flying disc" and with endzones for goals. in which case one could say the essence hasnt changed, but the application has. either way, its worth a shot i guess. steve On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Andrew Godber <[email protected]>wrote: > Good counter argument, but the main thing is that it changes the spirit of > the game, i.e. the core essence. Twenty20 doesn't do that, it just makes a > 5-day game more marketable. > > Can't believe I am backing Oscar up. > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] on behalf of Steve Eldon Kerr > Sent: Mon 12/01/2009 23:16 > To: David Oxendale; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BD] Major League Ultimate 2009 > > > > It can be called ultimate in the same way 20twenty cricket is called > cricket, despite having several very major differences from test cricket, > yet it has gone on to be very successful and is a valid version of the > game. > i see no harm in giving it a go and seeing what happens, to me it sounds a > great idea, particularly to try out rule changes. while the self-refereeing > nature may be the most controversial change, i do think others such as > changing the rules on pick and time between points may be worth trying. > steve > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:50 PM, David Oxendale > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Sorry, how can you have a competition called Major League ULTIMATE and > > then not play Ultimate at the competition? A lot of thought has been > > put into the rules of Ultimate and, in particular, Spirit Of The Game > > and it's self-refereeing nature. By changing the rules, you are > > changing the sport and therefore are not playing Ultimate. > > Oscar > > FlyghtClub > > (the views expressed in this e.mail are mine and not necessarily those > > of my team-mates. I really hope they are though) > > > > On 12/01/2009, MLU UK <[email protected]> wrote: > > > British Ultimate, > > > > > > > > > We are currently in the process of organising a UK Major League > Ultimate > > > tournament, based on the idea tried out in the US in 2006. > > > > > > The tournament will consist of five all-star regional teams, based on > the > > > currently existing boundaries of UK University Ultimate (namely, > > South-West, > > > South-East, Midlands, North and Scotland). > > > > > > Teams will comprise of a combination of the top University players from > > each > > > region, and the best open players also from that region. Guidelines and > > > restrictions on this format will follow. > > > > > > Provisionally, the tournament will be held in Manchester on the 19th > and > > 20 > > > th of April this year, however this is subject to change. Exact details > > will > > > be released as soon as they are confirmed. > > > > > > > > > For those of you who are not aware, under MLU rules the game is > refereed > > and > > > has a separate rule-set from Ultimate, the full version of which will > be > > > provided to teams prior to the tournament, with plenty of time to get > to > > > grips with them. We have been in contact with Ben Wiggins (founder of > > > www.thehuddle.org) and Ian McClellan (TD of the inaugural MLU > > tournament) > > > concerning the exact rules and any amendments they would suggest based > on > > > having played under them in 2006. > > > Referees will have received several weeks of training prior to the > > > tournament. > > > > > > > > > Each player will receive a shirt as part of the player fee, featuring > the > > > yet-to-be finalised MLU:UK logo, the name of your region, and number. > > > > > > > > > > > > For an introduction to the rule amendments, the main changes can be > seen > > on > > > the rec.sport.disc post about the US event here: > > > > > > http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.sport.disc/2006-06/msg01409. html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And the Ultivillage DVD of the U.S. MLU from 2006 can be ordered here: > > > > > > http://www.ultivillage.com/index.php/DVD-Trailers/2006-major-league-ultimate -mlu -dvd-trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note, this is not an attempt to change the rules of Ultimate, it > > is > > > firstly a chance to try out these alternative rules first hand, and > > secondly > > > a chance to prove the strength of your region at a new elite-level > > > tournament in the UK. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yours, > > > > > > > > > The MLU:UK team > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. please direct inquiries to [email protected] > > > __________________________________________________ > > > BritDisc mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > > > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > The e.mail of the species is more deadly than the mail. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > BritDisc mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Electronic mail messages entering and leaving Arup business > systems are scanned for acceptability of content and viruses > > > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
