i do basically agree with Dale on what he has said. lets lighten up on the issue and give it a shot.steve
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Dale Walker <[email protected]>wrote: > A lot of the criticism being fired at the MLU guys seems to revolve on two > concepts - who are you, and stop interfering/distracting > from/destroying/damaging our sport. > > I won't offer my opinion on the positives/negatives because the slander > attached is outrageous, but people should lighten up on the issue. MLU in > the US was an experiment designed to ascertain the need/effect of officials > to the sport of Ultimate, whilst trying to make the sport more spectator > friendly. > > There is definitely an element of Ultimate that is needless to say boring > for those not involved or participating or who have the foggiest what it is > - ever brought your friend along whose never expressed an interest in > playing and the first things they want to know are why in-between points > take so long, why does the game seem so stop-start, why can everyone see > that was a foul but he can't? One of the most endearing elements of > football/rugby/most massive spectator sports are that they are non-stop > action - Premier League football players often come out with press releases > lauding the nature of the game in England because "referees in Europe blow > for fouls more often, stopping the game." That's why we love it so much, > because despite the double footed from behind challenge that we all know is > a red card the referee didn't see it and the game goes on, the offender is > off the hook and the offendee incensed! > > This doesn't happen in Ultimate, and no I'm not trying to say that people > should now be unfair and start cheating to win games, but let's face it - > there have been times you've stepped off the field and felt cheated because > "that guy called travel every throw, made an outrageous foul call which > changed the game, called me out in sudden death when I was 3 feet in." > Surely if there is a way we can remove the cheating from Ultimate, without > the only punishment received is a low Spirit score (I'm personally of the > belief that every player in any sport should be spirited regardless of the > sport or situation) then it's worth a shot. It's worth the experiment, and > anyone who has expressed a need for Observers before MLU may think that > progressively this is the path, as has been chronologically in the US, but > observers only get involved when an agreement cannot be reached between the > players, and line calls. It doesn't change the game too much, right? > > There's little wrong with the sport in it's current format, anyone who has > seen the US Canada Open final from WUGC last year will agree that Ultimate > can be exhilarating in it's current format, but give the experiment a try > and who knows, you might just enjoy it. You might hate it, but either way > you'll know. > > Dale (who didn't expect to write so much but finds it more fun than > revision) > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Steve G <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Has the UK ever had a go at running a tournament with observers? Why > > go extreme with MLU when there's not even been a more UPA style event > > with observers run yet. Additionally while there are some positives > > to experimentation like this, this MLU idea has some pretty negative > > associations and some rather negative people associated with it in the > > USA where it was initially tried. With that in mind I do agree with > > the request to know who's behind it. Sending an email announcing it > > signed as essentially anonymous (mlu.uk) almost indicates an > > acknowledgement that the idea may invoke a negative response. > > > > Do a little searching on rec.sport.disc and you can find lots of > > similar banter along with some history of MLU. You can start with > > this recent link (you might need a google account to read it) that > > came out before it was announced on britdisc. > > > > * WILL THE UK SURPASS THE USA IN THE PROGRESSION OF ULTIMATE. - > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.disc/t/fc7431c91c6834fd?hl=en > > > > This was written by a guy known as Toad or Ulticritic. He's a huge > > fan of the MLU. Search rec.sport.disc on him as well to get a good > > idea of his character. > > > > All that said, playing a tournament like this sounds like a blast as > > long is it isn't taking itself too seriously (which unfortunately > > almost by definition it seems to be). > > > > Steve > > > > > > 2009/1/13 Derryk Boyd <[email protected]>: > > > I personally welcome this experiment having moved back to playing more > > football than ultimate due in part to several terrible self refereeing > > experiences at Toms Tourney and WUGC last season. Some of the things I > > experienced last season in ultimate have made me seriously consider my > > desire to play the sport at the most competitive levels. > > > > > > While I think that Ultimate is a great sport and should be enjoyed by > > millions of people, I think that only once you experience playing teams > that > > do not share the ideals of spirit of the game will you begin to question > > ultimate's potential to grow beyond what it is at the minute as a > > competitive sport. > > > > > > While MLU might not be the answer to this, I think it is good that > people > > are willing to try somthing new and I am very keen to experience it. I do > > not see any reason why people who want to play ultimate cannot continue > > doing so and people who want to try somthing different can do so also. So > if > > this goes ahead I will for sure be looking to get onto one of the lucky > > teams who get to try it first. > > > > > > Derryk, > > > > > > Fusion # 6, Ireland # 9 > > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/1/09, MLU UK <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > From: MLU UK <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [BD] Major League Ultimate 2009 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 11:38 PM > > > > > > First off, apologies for the error in the date suggested, it would be > the > > > 18th and 19th. > > > At the moment this will be open division only. There is of course, > > potential > > > to open it up to womens in the future depending on how successful it > is. > > > Invitations have not been issued, details about this will follow when > > they > > > are 100% finalised, but the way the teams will be selected will involve > > each > > > of the top 3-4 university teams from each region being allocated slots > on > > > the team (for example, 1st gets 4 places, 2nd gets 3 etc). The > university > > > core of each team will then select open players by invitation, or by > > > selection from requests. > > > Spectator-wise there have been no plans made as of yet, as it is the > > first > > > time the tournament is being run and therefore level of spectator > > interest > > > is so far unknown. > > > We will be using four referees, who will be selected out of > availability > > for > > > regular, weekly trainings in manchester to practice the application of > > the > > > rules, and the use of a whistle in an Ultimate game. > > > > > > We would like to further re-iterate that this is in no way an attempt > to > > > change the way ultimate is played generally in the UK. > > > __________________________________________________ > > > BritDisc mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > > > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > BritDisc mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > > > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > BritDisc mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > > > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
