Instead of “Cite this page along with its URL as Kunte, K. 2011. History of species pages on Butterflies of India website. In K. Kunte, S. Kalesh and U. Kodandaramaiah (eds.). Butterflies of India, v. 1.01 . Indian Foundation for Butterflies”
can we not have something like "Author name 2011. History of species pages on Butterflies of India website. In K. Kunte, S. Kalesh and U. Kodandaramaiah (eds.). Butterflies of India, v. 1.01 . Indian Foundation for Butterflies”. Thanks.. Niranjan On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Peter Smetacek <[email protected] > wrote: > ** > > > > I agree with Dr. Habib’s first two paragraphs, but, while agreeing with the > fact that preprints are not banned, cannot agree that this applies to the > present case. Since I believe that there are people on this group who are > not aware of the processes of scientific publication, I shall go into some > detail: > The photos of Lethe margaritae, including location and date have been > published in two e-forums: 1) Butterflies and moths of Sikkim and 2) Indian > Foundation for Butterflies. > The former is a non-formal site. There is no need to consider that the > finding has been formally published by placing it on that site. However, IFB > is an edited, formal e-forum. (“Cite this page along with its URL as Kunte, > K. 2011. History of species pages on Butterflies of India website. In K. > Kunte, S. Kalesh and U. Kodandaramaiah (eds.). Butterflies of India, v. 1.01 > . Indian Foundation for Butterflies”.). By placing the photos of Lethe > margaritae on this site, one cannot escape the fact that it has been > published in Volume 1.01 of Butterflies of India, edited by K.Kunte, S. > Kalesh and U. Kodandaramaiah. With over 200,000 visits in the past years, it > is by no means an obscure site. > For those working in unrelated fields, I would like to bring to notice that > the latest issue of the journal Science reports that at an international > conference of botanists in Australia, it was decided that henceforth there > should be no need for new descriptions of plants to appear in paper > journals, e-publication would be considered sufficient. Given this, there is > no way in which IFB can be considered a non-formal site. > Concerning pre-prints, these are of two types: one is on non-formal > facebook-like forums, the other is when the journal in which a paper is > being published circulates the paper prior to formal publication in the same > journal. Published pages on IFB cannot be considered pre-prints for another > scientific journal, on the basis of the “cite this page as….” advisory on > IFB. > When Sanjyog prepares his formal paper for publication, he can choose not > to mention that the photos and relevant information have been published on > IFB. This will be unethical. If he chooses to report it, he will have to > report it in the following words or words to this effect, “A single male of > Lethe margaritae was recorded from XXXX in Sikkim on XX July 2011 (Anonymous > 2011: Kunte, K. 2011. History of species pages on Butterflies of India > website. In K. Kunte, S. Kalesh and U. Kodandaramaiah (eds.). Butterflies of > India, v. 1.01 . Indian Foundation for Butterflies.). The re-discovery of > this butterfly is hereby reported……” > While this will not contradict the letter of the rule which every journal > enjoins, that is, the paper should not have been offered for publication > elsewhere, it certainly goes against the spirit of the rule, in that the > same material is being offered up for publicaiton that has already been > published elsewhere. > The three facts that Sanjyog at present has to report about this species > that are unreported in the literature are the place of observation (an > extension to the known distribution of the species), date of observation and > the photos of the specimen (re-discovery of the species). All three facts > appear on the IFB website. > Clearly, it has already been reported, or published, if you will. > In any ethical consideration, there are many shades of grey: this is > definitely one of them. I sought to make it black or white by suggesting > that the editors of IFB unpublish the photos until such a time as Sanjyog > publishes his finding in a formal publication, after which it could be > re-published on IFB. However, I see that the suggestion has been brushed > aside. Nevertheless, from the above it will be evident that my point of view > is certainly not “mistaken”. > > > > On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:50:52 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose once the paper is published it can be listed under the References > tab on the species page. > > I see that some pages do have the names of contributors as authors in the > "Cite this page" text. So maybe "Anonymous" could be replaced by specific > names here. > > Agree that displaying photos here at this stage has no bearing on formal > publication. The scientific world communicates its results by preprints and > no journal bans those! And here you only have photos and no "article" which > can be presumed to have been published. > > cheers > Amber Habib > Delhi > From: "Kunte, > Krushnamegh" ** > To: butterflyindia ** > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 7:59 PM > Subject: [ButterflyIndia] Re: Bhutan Treebrown (Lethe margaritae) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Usha, > > > > I think it is a good idea to publish these sightings in a scientific paper, > and I can help Sanjyog and Karma Dorjee with this. I have written a more > detailed email to the three of you, please check it out. > > > > Peter is mistaken about scientific publishing and about credits, and his > suggestion about unpublishing and publishing the pictures on the BOI website > is also quite unnecessary. The photos on the BOI website (or on Facebook > where they were first posted) do not affect anything else that Sanjyog and > Karma Dorjee want to do next. Anyway, I have offered more about this in my > email to the three of you. > > > > With best wishes, > > > > Krushnamegh. > > > > From: usha lachungpa ** > > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 04:52:45 -0400 > > To: Krushnamegh Kunte ** > > Cc: butterflyindia **, "[email protected]" **, kdgyatsov19 ** > > Conversation: Bhutan Treebrown (Lethe margaritae) > > Subject: Re: Bhutan Treebrown (Lethe margaritae) > > > > Dear Krushnamegh, > > This is indeed exciting. We have been following this on FB eagerly. You > certainly seem to have started it with your Scarce Jester!! First the rare > Hockeystick Sailer and now Bhutan Treebrown, an endemic Sch-1 species with > range extension in North Sikkim by young local vets. Since the newly formed > Butterflies and Moths of Sikkim (BAMOS) Facebook Egroup by Karma Dorjee and > Sanjyog, progress has been tremendous due to support of Lepidoptera experts > and amateurs from all over. Your meeting them through Sikkim Ornithological > Society (SOS) in Gangtok during your last visit for the ATREE funded Sikkim > butterfly project was a big opportunity. They are both thrilled to see their > butterflies have featured on 'IFoundButterflies'. > > > > Your help in first publication of both Karma's Hockeystick Sailer and > Sanjyog's Bhutan Treebrown would be a boost to these budding scientists to > become authors. I learn from both Karma and Sanjyog that they are very keen > as this would be a first for them. Karma got his BVSc this month itself, > Sanjyog just a few years ago and presently with ICAR! This would be big for > their CVs and ensure their continued interest in biodiversity conservation > in Sikkim where development is fast overtaking conservation in many areas > due to lack of information, and more important, lack of local involvement > initiative. > > > > I have a starter/beginner article attached which may help but definitely > needs your input. Can you suggest where their article could be published as > a titled paper in recognized journal? > > > > Also, I request you to add both Karma and Sanjyog's names as co-authors in > the relevant citations on IFB since at the moment they are of course > photo-credited but it looks like a discovery of IFB and not them. Please > don't get me wrong, but am sure you agree that it would certainly help them. > Peter Smetacek seems to have found the way forward and I copy below his > comment to Sanjyog and Gaurav on the Bhutan Treebrown thread, which you > might not be aware of (and this would probably also hold for Karma's > Hockeystick Sailer): > > > > Peter Smetacek ** : Sanjyog and Gaurav, sorry for interfering in what is > essentially a matter between you two and IFB, but I was thinking about this > matter- somehow it does not seem right that Sanjyog should not be able to > claim credit for his discovery in a proper paper in a scientific journal. If > I were Sanjyog, I would ask Gaurav to unpublish the page, then do up a > proper paper and send it to a scientific journal of his choice. After it is > published in the journal, Gaurav can re-publish the page on IFB. That way, > the discovery would get proper ex-pression and Sanjyog can have a scientific > paper on his CV. > > > > > This sound so right and feasible so I look forward to your comments > eagerly. > > Kind regards, > > Usha > > > > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Kunte, Krushnamegh ** wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am passing on news of a very exciting recent discovery by Sanjyog Rai of > the Bhutan Treebrown (Lethe margaritae) in North Sikkim: > > > > http://ifoundbutterflies.org/441-lethe/lethe-margaritae > > > > This species is very rare and is legally protected in India under Schedule > I of the Wildlife (Protection) Act. I do not recall seeing any other > pictures of this species, or even any other recent sightings. I will be > interested in hearing from other people if they have seen/photographed this > species. > > > > Usha, this is a fantastic sighting, another rare species seen in Sikkim > once again. I thought you would be interested to know. > > > > With best wishes, > > > > Krushnamegh. > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > > Krushnamegh Kunte, PhD > > > > Post-doctoral Research Fellow > > FAS Center for Systems Biology > > Harvard University > > 52 Oxford St., Northwest Lab Room 458.40-3 > > Cambridge, MA 02138, USA. > > > > Ph: (617) 496-0078, Cell: (512) 577-1370, Fax: (617) 495-2196 > > Email: [email protected] ** > > Other emails: [email protected] ** , [email protected] > ** > > > > Personal website: http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~kunte/index.htm ** > > Indian Foundation for Butterflies: http://ifoundbutterflies.org/ > > Google profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/krushnamegh > > > > > > > > -- > > Usha Ganguli-Lachungpa > > Prin. 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