At 11:28 2007-01-22, Rick wrote:
>At 1/22/2007 12:55 PM, you wrote:
> >Rick wrote:
> > > At 1/22/2007 01:34 AM, you wrote:
> > >> At 20:40 2007-01-21, Rick wrote:
> > >>> At 1/21/2007 05:19 PM, you wrote:
> > >>>> At 12:27 2007-01-21, navid yaghoobi wrote:
> > >>>>> Hi
> > >>>>> if you want to work with linux its beter to work woth C
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There is NO excuse for writing ANYTHING in C these days.......none!
> > >>>
> > >>> I disagree. While it is good to form an opinion and have a favorite
> > >>> language, that does not mean other languages are useless.
> > >>
> > >> C is, and has been useless ever since C++ became standardized. and
> > >> I'll say it again, There is NO point in writing anything in C these
> > >> days. C++ is simply a better language, period
> > >>
> > >>> C is, in fact, a very good language. It is often used for writing
> > >>> device drivers, for example. Sure, one could also use C++, but C is a
> > >>> perfectly acceptable choice.
> > >>>
> > >>> Victor. Have you opinion but don't degrade the choices of others. It
> > >>> isn't necessary.
> > >>
> > >> I wasn't degrading anyone, and it's NOT an opinion, it's fact
> > >
> > > No, Victor, your statement is NOT fact. Saying "There is NO excuse for
> > > writing ANYTHING in C these days.......none!" is simply not true. Sure,
> > > C++ may be a superior language to C but, if one does not know how to
> > > program C++ yet they do know how to write code in C, then C is a
> > > perfectly acceptable choice.
> > > This forum is supposed to help those of us who do not currently know C++
> > > and would like to learn. Statements/attitudes like yours make that
> > > process more difficult.
> > >
> > >>> ~Rick
> >
> >Rick, ignore Victor's rants. But did you know you can use C++ as a
> >better C? (Nitpickers: I know it is a terrible association as they are
> >two distinct languages.) For instance, in C, you can't do:
> >
> >int MyFunction(char SomeValue)
> >{
> >}
> >
> >int MyFunction(char *SomeValue)
> >{
> >}
> >
> >Because both functions have the same name. That's called function
> >overloading and it is allowed by a C++ compiler. You don't have to use
> >classes/templates to use C++. Little things like that make C++ a better
> >language.
> >
> >Also, I am of the strong _personal opinion_ that the STL components of
> >the C++ Standard are wrong (not everyone holds my view). The Standard
> >should simply define how code is compiled and leave predefined
> >functions, classes, and templates such as the STL out of it. And guess
> >what? You don't have to use STL to use C++ either. If STL is confusing
> >for you, then don't use it. You can always roll your own, although you
> >might be ridiculed by your peers for doing so (reinventing the wheel has
> >that tendency).
> >
> >However, before rolling your own string class, I recommend looking at
> >BString:
> >
> >http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/c-prog/files/Books/
> >(Safe C++ Design Principles)
> >
> >Rick, you seem to have similar feelings about STL as I do (general
> >confusion being one of those many feelings). BString and kin and other
> >ideas may be exactly what you are looking for. I should have done this
> >a LONG time ago and made the book available to c-prog members, but
> >hopefully this "change of heart" repairs some of the past damage.
> >
> >--
> >Thomas Hruska
> >CubicleSoft President
> >Ph: 517-803-4197
>
>Thomas,
>
>Thank you for this reply. It show me this list *can* be productive.
>And your offer to supply the book is extremely generous.
>
>Victor has a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure of that. But his
>frustration with those with less knowledge often shows as being
>sarcastic and demeaning. It is counter-productive here.
show me where I was sarcastic to you? I may have been VERY short,
but until you held yourself out (briefly) as an "expert" on C++ I
didn't comment.
>I know there are a lot of posters looking for handouts here. I see it
>all the time and it frustrates me immensely. But I simply choose to
>ignore the posts and don't reply. Well, mostly. I think I've replied
>to a few out of frustration, myself.
>
>I want to learn from here. That is why I read the posts.
>Unfortunately, I can't help much as I'm learning C++ myself although
>it's my nature to help where I can.
>
>I'll read the book.
>
>Thank you.
>
>~Rick
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