Hi Jack: I'd opt for leaving it as is for 2008.11 and explore other ideas for 2009.04.
If we'll be using the same GRUB for 2009.04, then I opt for going with #2 if the UI folks have decided that "boot from hard drive" needs to be at the bottom. If we can change GRUB for 2009.04, however, I'd like to see if we could get at least a beep option in there. Playing an audio file would be even cooler. If we can do some sort of audible cue (beep or other audio), then the need to put the screen reader at the top or bottom can go away and we'd have a more accessible solution to boot (pun intended). Thanks! Will On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 13:19 -0800, Jack Schwartz wrote: > Hi Will and Dave C. > > On 11/03/08 11:28, Willie Walker wrote: > > Hi Jack! > > > > Thanks for asking. Sorry I missed the bug report. > > > > The user experience we're going for is that the blind user can have an > > idea that when they boot the live CD, it will come up speaking. One > > way to accomplish this is to create a GRUB entry that provides some > > audible cue when it is selected (e.g., it beeps when you arrow to it, > > but that requires a patch: > > https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=14661). > > > > Failing audible cues, we can put the screen reader option at an edge of > > the list. With this, the user can press the arrow key repeatedly and > > be somewhat sure they are at the edge of the GRUB menu before pressing > > return. By placing the screen reader option at the top or the bottom > > of the list, we can let the blind user select the screen reader option. > > So, if "Boot from Hard Disk" has to be at the bottom of the list, > > would it be possible to move the screen reader to the top of the list, > > the magnifier second, and then make the default selection be the third > > entry? > > > So, it boils down to the following options: > > 1) Leave as is: > > boot from CD (default) > boot from CD, console mode > boot from hard drive > boot with magnifier > boot with screen reader > > 2) move accessibility to the top > > boot with screen reader > boot with magnifier > boot from CD (default) > boot from CD, console mode > boot from hard drive > > 3) Put hard drive on top: > > boot from hard drive > boot from CD (default) > boot from CD, console mode > boot with magnifier > boot with screen reader > > Accessibility (screen reader) has to either be at the top or the > bottom to aid the blind. > > To me, it boils down to: > (1) should the default "boot from CD" be at the top of the list > (sacrificing (2)), or > (2) should booting from the hard drive be at the bottom of the list > (sacrificing (1)) > > There are other options, such as putting booting from the hard drive > be at the top of the list, but these are not as good. > > If it's up to me, I'd leave it as is (option 1). Do others have an > opinion? > > Thanks, > Jack > > P.S. I realize this won't be fixed for 2008.11, but we can take care > of this now so that the needful can be done when normal (non-stopper) > bugs can be fixed at a later time. > > Will > > > > On Nov 3, 2008, at 2:13 PM, Jack Schwartz wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Will. > > > > > > Bug 4333 has been filed regarding order of the items in the Grub menu. > > > > > > Currently it has the two standard boot modes, followed by the "Boot > > > from > > > Hard Disk", followed by the two accessibility modes. The "bug" is to > > > put the "Boot from hard Disk" item at the bottom of the menu. > > > > > > I seem to recall you telling me that the accessibility modes had to be > > > at the bottom of the menu; is this correct, or is there no preference > > > or restriction on this? If accessibility options need to be at the > > > bottom of the menu, we should close the bug. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > P.S. Why am I involved in this? Because I'm the one who put the > > > accessibility items at the bottom of the grub menu in the first place. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > caiman-discuss mailing list > > > caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org > > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/caiman-discuss > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > caiman-discuss mailing list > > caiman-discuss at opensolaris.org > > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/caiman-discuss > > >
