Fair enough on the Basecamp point, but I was looking at an overall
general app that end-users can use, and Basecamp is quite specific to
people who need Groupware.

However I have to disagree on your other points.  Look at Drupal or
Wordpress for example, they are aimed at the end user - but as a
consiquence of this, you have many hundreds of developers adding new
code and features to them every day.  Why can't this be the same for
CakePHP.

And I think if we are to persuade people to develop for CakePHP there
should be something there other than a few basic tutorials to show
them what its capible off.

If you bake it, they will come!

Tane

On 3/28/07, Chris Hartjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 3/28/07, digital spaghetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > What I believe CakePHP needs is a killer app, a CMS that can rival the
> > others out there, and that gives people the chance to actually see
> > cakephp in action.  Think of it as a pre-packed Cake you get in the
> > supermarket.  RoR has one, Radient CMS - why can't we?  I think by NOT
> > having one, that scares a lot of people off.
> >
>
> The killer app for Rails is Basecamp, not Radient CMS.  Rails, in
> fact, grew out of extractions from the creation of Basecamp.
>
> Trivial nitpicking aside, I fail to understand how a "killer app" for
> CakePHP is going to lead more developers to start using CakePHP
> instead of Zend Framework or Symfony.  We are aiming at *developers*
> not *users*.
>
> PHP suffers from being considered "lame" by the latest generation of
> web developers, who tout Python and Ruby as the only good scripting
> languages for the web.  Never mind that several of the biggest web
> applications out there use PHP (Yahoo! ring a bell?).
>
> To steal a phrase from Microsoft, it's all about "developers,
> developers, DEVELOPERS!!!".  We (as in the community using CakePHP)
> need to find constructive ways to convince developers to use CakePHP.
>
> --
> Chris Hartjes
>
> My motto for 2007:  "Just build it, damnit!"
>
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> >
>

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