I just start learning Cake since last month, I also find some
frustration along the way. Things such as requestAction(),
beforeFilter() really irritate me as they don't really correspond to
the little amount of OOP I have learned.
Lately I compared Cake's Auth and DarkAuth and they actually use
different method to do hooks, one is using the de facto beforeFilter()
while another implements a call to the calling controller's _login()
method.
And the requestAction() method.. it is IMHO a implementation of global
function. It just do all the dirty work to get the controller class
and call the specific action/method and then return the value.
But I guess most of the frustrations comes from the fact that I am on
branches/1.2.x.x ;-)
On Jun 26, 3:50 am, Wayne Madison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes! This discussion thread is about Documentation.
>
> The Current Documentation is "good". On a scale of 1 to 10, it is a 5.
>
> I say this for a number of reasons.
>
> 1. It contains deprecated items that are not noted as such.
> 2. Alternative / Preferred methods to deprecated items are not
> provided.
> 3. It provides items without specific examples which can be used and
> tested by users.
> 4. It does not provide specific methods to solve specific fundamental
> web application problems.
>
> My goal of this thread was to present a problem an a web application
> builder(user) brings to the Documentation.
>
> The application builder brings a general question to the
> Documentation.
>
> For Example:1) How do I add a select option driven by a database
> table to my View(form)?
> 2) How do I eliminate a label on a form eliment?
> 3) How do I change the label on a select
> option?
>
> Are the direct and explicit answers to these types of questions beyond
> the scope of this Documentation?
>
> The application builder has followed the cakePHP instructions to build
> their application in accordance with cakePHP methodology and
> practice.
>
> The Methods, Controllers and Views were built with cake.php Bake and
> tested with scaffold.
>
> This was accomplished in short order!
>
> Thanks cakePHP!
>
> Some of the boring repetitive work is out of the way.
>
> Now the CUSTOMIZATION work begins.
>
> How do I add a select option driven by a database table to my
> View(form)?
>
> The developer finds a solution in the Documentation use
> generateList().
>
> The developer applies generateList() to the application.
>
> Many trials and failures follow.
>
> Finally, the developer finds that generateList() is deprecated.
>
> The notes in the Documentation regarding the deprecation of the
> generateList() are missing?
>
> Time Wasted!
>
> There are no notes on an alternative method!
>
> More frustration.
>
> More time.
>
> More research.
>
> CakePHP gurus provide the following:
>
> 1) Use "find" and "Set::combine". Those components are in the
> documentation.
>
> or
>
> 2) Download X,Y or Z web application and decontruct.
>
> Deconstruction!
>
> Yes!
>
> More research.
>
> More time.
>
> CakePHP users will try components 2,3, 4 or more times before an error
> isn't kicked out because there is a lack of specific examples.
>
> Did the guru say "find", "find(''list"), find("all"), "findAll()",
> "generateList(), etc. etc. etc. which one? They are all in the
> Documentation.
>
> How many times does a user have to test "find", "find(''list"),
> find("all"), "findAll()", "generateList(), etc. etc. etc. before they
> find that the solution to this fundamental form requirement, "a select
> option" based upon a database doesn't produce the desired results.
>
> Why?
>
> That component requires the use of another component.
>
> Remember? Set::combine?
>
> More time.
>
> More research.
>
> More testing.
>
> Do you remember the web developers original question which brought
> them to the Documentation?
>
> How is a select option based upon a database table added to a
> View(form)?
>
> How much time does a user spend to find the component(s) needed to
> answer this basic web application question?
>
> How much time does a user spend to find out how, when and where to use
> those components with what dependencies (Model, Controller and View)
> are required?
>
> More research!
>
> More testing!
>
> Is providing, in the documentation, the answer to this type of
> question beyond the scope of the Documentation?
>
> I don't think that it is.
>
> Therefore, I rate the Documentation a 5.
>
> The Documentation at this time is more of a compendium, repository,
> alphabetical list of all of the neat things (components) that CakePHP
> developers have built.
>
> Cool.
>
> Some of the components in the Documentation are deprecated. Some are
> not. Some deprecated items are noted as such and provide alternatives.
> Some aren't and don't. Some components have examples on how to they
> are to be used. Some don't.
>
> What ever time a user saves by using cakePHP framework will be spent
> and then some on research and testing?
>
> That is until the developer has built their own repository of
> solutions to common requirements such as how to add a selection option
> to a View(form).
>
> Why?
>
> While the components to a solution are in the documentation, the
> solution is not and watch out for deprecation!
>
> The need is clear.
>
> Wayne
>
> On Jun 24, 11:15 am, Wayne Madison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > I want to create cakePHP(1.2.0.xxxx) Forms to "View", "Add", "Edit",
> > "Delete" a "User".
>
> > Constraints: 1 (No "Scaffold")
> > 2 (No Deprecated "generateList()")
>
> > I want the "Add" and "Edit" form to contain:
>
> > 1) A select option box for "title" based upon the values in the
> > "titles" table showing field values for "Title" saving "title_id" to
> > the "users" table.
> > 2) An input box for first_name
> > 3) An input box for last_name
>
> > I want the "User" "View" form to show:
>
> > 1) The "title" selected not the "title_id"
> > 2) The "first_name" value
> > 3) The "last_name" value
>
> > Table One: "Users"
>
> > user_id integer primary key auto number
> > title_id integer,
> > first_name varchar(40)
> > last_name varchar(40)
>
> > Table One: Data Example:
> > user_id titile_id first_name last_name
> > 1 1 bill smith
> > 2 2 jane murphy
> > 3 3 elizabeth baker
>
> > Table Two: "Titles"
> > title_id: integer primary key autonumber
> > title: varchar(40)
>
> > Table Two: Data Example:
> > title_id title
> > 1 Mr.
> > 2 Ms.
> > 3 Mrs.
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Wayne
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