two notes on this:

a.) while this might not make me friends: Lithium may be able to pull
of both: a.) a very microkernel framework that comes without much
tools and with a "loose frame" (thus bad for newbies and bad
programmers like me ;-p) and b.) a standard set of "addons"
"extensions" "plugins" whatever: data sources/object mappers, filters,
authenfication, access control, etc.

Why do I say this? Rails 3 did this (Though the basis of Ruby implies
different contraints, some very positive other rather negative) (More
on that topic on the rails website under screencasts, Rails 3
Screencast Series, the screencasts show the decoupling of the frame-
parts (read framework parts) and the great "Arel" :)).

So I could very well imagen Lithium and Lithium+, though on the other
side of the coin - if there will be no Lithium+ in the long run - I do
not see it becoming much more popular than ZF though.

b.) I do not like "general" OSS wars, they just consume time. Instead
I want to ask a question: Afaik Lithium is committed to some php
library standard definitions. Will Cake2 share those? And if that's
the case: can you see combined use of both, parts of them and/or
integration?

p.s: While I do not like php 5.3s syntax, its hard to read, I do not
see why to stick with <5.2 if 5.3 offers some real performance
benefits. I love that most of the cake's source is easy to read and
understand, great spirit.

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