--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sean Gilbertson 
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> 
>       Well, I didn't invent the term capitalism.  It seems to me 
that your situation either doesn't reflect capitalism, doesn't 
depend on capitalism, or mutated capitalism to be something else.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 09, 2004 at 01:25:11PM -0800, Stede Troisi wrote:
> > 
> > --- Sean Gilbertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Capitalism is defined as "an economic system based
> > > on private ownership of capital," so capitalism
> > > itself as defined that way bears no requirement of
> > > employee hierarchy.  
> > 
> > Makes sense to me.
> > 
> > Now, if you are a single mother working at Starbucks
> > in New York making $5.25 an hour and you expenses are
> > $5.26 an hour how do you acquire private ownership of
> > capital?
> > 
> > If Starbucks offshores their entire IT department to
> > India and saves millions will the single mother then
> > be able to acquire private ownership of capital?
> > 
> > In fact in the most basic
> > > sense, the employees do own the company.
> > 
> > Explain that to the single mother working at Starbucks
> > in New York making $5.25 an hour.
> > 
> > Stede
> > 
> > 
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> Sean Gilbertson
> IT Systems/Software Developer

Excuse me I am new to the group

And although I find the econmic debate interesting I think the the 
most import question that requires answering is something like:

Could a software consulting firm with basically no overhead and 
using the XP development process bring real value to market place?

Even in the face of out sourcing I think it could if the firm 
specializes in tough projects. Many of us have worked on waterfall 
projects and the disasters they can create. Of course I am inferring 
that this or a similair method is used when out sourcing.

In a earlier thread I read about a manager who was quite happy with 
software he got from India. That may be true but, how complex was it?
For all we know it was just a modification of some prexisting 
software

John Menarek





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