> 
> Excuse me I am new to the group
> 
> And although I find the econmic debate interesting I think the the 
> most import question that requires answering is something like:
> 
> Could a software consulting firm with basically no overhead and 
> using the XP development process bring real value to market place?

Thoughtworks, among others.

www.thoughtworks.com

Of course, they also have a policy of
only hiring the best, thus leveraging the
often noted very wide disparity in ability
among people who describe themselves as
software developers.


> Even in the face of out sourcing I think it could if the firm 
> specializes in tough projects. Many of us have worked on waterfall 
> projects and the disasters they can create. Of course I am inferring 
> that this or a similair method is used when out sourcing.

It's much harder to use agile methods when there is a
huge communication gap, and most outsourcing contracts
are "all requirements up front," which does imply (although
it does not mandate) waterfall.

> In a earlier thread I read about a manager who was quite happy with 
> software he got from India. That may be true but, how complex was it?
> For all we know it was just a modification of some prexisting 
> software

There are success stories and failure stories. I agree
with Dave Rooney that software outsourcing is a management
fad, and will eventually drop in importance below the
next management fad. However, it's currently causing a
huge amount of misery.

Hopefully, XP (or something similar) will eventually
reach critical mass and replace some of this searching
for the next panacea.

John Roth
> 
> John Menarek





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