More a bit later . . .
Blessings, Rob J.
CH Rob J. King, M.Div., Th.M., Ph.D. (ABD*)
Chaplain, AR-MEDCOM
Professor of Bible and Christian Ministry Grand Canyon University-Online
Abiding Life Christian Ministries--Phoenix & Tampa Bay
Ministry Home Page: http://abidinglifephoenix.com/default.aspx
Ministry E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:05:13 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Campaigns-l] Enemies of Democracy
1. Ok. With these questions I can see that. Previous posts have been too subtle.2. Wiki is a word meaning 'fast'. Wikipedia as a brand does have a strong presence on the Internet. Because the Wikia company leaders came out of the Wikimedia Foundation, it was able to claim some of the branding. It's up to the content of each wikia site to become useful to the community that they are trying to reach.3. Jennifer has been active on the 'ki, and busy on her own website. She is known by the admins of the site. You were not, Rev. King, and some of your emails have been extremely partisan and offensive to people. I cannot identify any edits that you have made on the wiki itself, only posts made to this mailing list. We dealt with things accordingly. Your emails over the past few weeks have been just fine, and I've personally made sure that they all get through. It's good to work with you.4. Wikia as a company owns the infrastructure that we are using. Jimmy Wales and Angela Beesley are the top names in that company. It's a privately held company, and they make the rules. The qualifications needed for this mailing list are an email address and a willingness to avoid whenever possible being offensive to other members of the list. It also helps to be willing to "forgive us our tresspasses" on that ideal, and give people a chance to redeem themselves. You have. On the wiki itself, anyone with a wikia account can sign statements, and anyone with a computer and browser can make changes. Without due cause, meaning a history of vandalism, we do not block people with accounts from posting. IP addresses, meaning people who are not willing to stand up for what they believe by putting their name on it, are blocked quickly and permanently after vandalism.5. I was one of the first people to volunteer to help develop the wiki. I was nominated by a Wikia staff member to get the ability to grant others admin status, and Jimmy Wales has stated that he considers me the 'lead admin' of the Campaigns.wikia.com website. Jimmy Wales owns controlling interest in Wikia. It's his company.6. I live in Washington. Waldsen lives in Chile. Jfingers lives in Pennsylvania. The wiki is open for anyone to come and add, but we are all volunteers, meaning we are not getting paid to make sure that every single race, candidate, or election is on the site. If something is missing from the Florida pages, it means that nobody from Florida came to the site to add that content. If we approach the 2008 election and one of the top level candidates for US President is not represented "fairly" on the site, it means that nobody from that campaign came to our site to fill in the blanks. If 90% of the people who come to make edits are liberal, and the door is open for conservatives to match their efforts, who is to blame? Those who silence themselves by not participating like everyone else. Issues will be "silenced" on this mailing list because issues do not belong here. They do belong on the wiki. Put your perspectives and background information there. That's what it is for.7. An introduction email about where someone stands and a general description of what their contributions will be to the website is probably appropriate, although if all 800 of us did that in all of our various languages I think we would have chaos on our hands. But repeating point after point on any particular issue is something that must be done ON THE WIKI, and not on this list.Further questions about the development of the wiki are welcome on this mailing list. Issues are not.See you on the 'ki.Chad
On 11/10/06, CH Rob J King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Okay, stated more bluntly--i.e. putting "theory" into "concrete practice" for those who have difficulty making the final conclusion of a rational argument.
1) The structure of this "system" is what I am raising questions about.
2) Specifically, just because this "system" is on the internet, has a well-known "brand-name" of Wki in front of it, who specifically creates, moderates, etc. this forum?
3) My original query was why a partisan e-mail (made by Jennifer) that exhorted "unity" by bracketing out issues such as abortion was left unchallenged, and when I did so in a polite way (please see original e-mail), the mass of liberals on the net attacked me.
4) What are the qualifications (academic, vocational, governmental) of those who construct this forum??? I am also a part of conservative lists and so more is known, and such lists do not claim to be non-partisan.
5) The final "connecting of the dots" (please see Foucault article) is concerning the power dynamics of this forum. Chad, are you democratically elected to serve in this position? If so, when was the election? Chad, if not elected, by whom were you appointed, and with what credentials does this person or persons utilize to make such appointment? (good ole liberal boys network)
6) I am fighting this battle (and will spread the word about Wiki-Campaign's highly partisan nature, while claiming a supposed objectivity) because the name "Wiki" implies a certain level of credibility due to the Wikipedia online encyclopedia, a credibility that Wiki-campaigns has yet to demonstrate ( e.g. the Florida elections had no information on any of the candidates, such as the Governor's race, just a week or so prior to the November 7th elections, thus not even being about political campaigns!!!).
7) Concerning the ethical implications of technology, Foucault (himself a liberal secularist!) is an excellent reading for liberals, who wrongly demonize their opposition while over-looking their own hypocrisy and efforts to silence their opposition by denying due process. By seeking to monopolize this on-line forum for a liberal agenda (while claiming it is for technological reasons), you are becoming a mirror image of the utopian-minded Bolsheviks who were assured of their own innate goodness, while nonetheless denying due process to viewpoints other than their own. For example, a partisan issue of "establishing a technological political party" was raised just this week, yet NO ONE CALLS FOR THEIR "SILENCING." If a Christian voices a concern (any concern), we are "subject to moderation." Okay, let's at least be honest (Chad & you liberals out there!). A political party is recommended (not a technological or structural issue), and this is allowed, but voicing any opposition to abortion being removed by the "unity movement" is itself considered an internet crime??? Go read Animal Farm (the book, that is!) and see how you are becoming nothing but a bunch of Bolsheviks . . .
Rob J. King, American Patriot
CH Rob J. King, M.Div., Th.M., Ph.D. (ABD*)Chaplain, AR-MEDCOMProfessor of Bible and Christian Ministry Grand Canyon University-Online
Abiding Life Christian Ministries--Phoenix & Tampa Bay
Ministry Home Page: http://abidinglifephoenix.com/default.aspx
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:57:51 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Campaigns-l] Enemies of Democracy
Again, and again, and again. The issue is not positions on these issues. The issue is not partisanship. The issue is not scholarship or anti-scholarship.
The issue is that this mailing list, [email protected], is for the discussion of the development of the infrastructure represented by campaigns.wikia.com to engage, educate and empower everyone on this list and around the wikisphere to add content, debate the issues, provide quotes and context from historical figures like Foucault, Burke, Paine, etc. ON THE WIKI. As shown by recent history, if we try and debate who is right and who is wrong on the issues, it causes fights and make enemies. Let's leave that off this list and put it where it belongs. ON THE WIKI.> Campaigns-l mailing list
Why is that so hard to grasp?
Chad
On 11/10/06, CH Rob J King <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
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> In a previous e-mail posted to this list (a scholarly contribution to the
> dialogue rooted in the thought of post-modern secular philosopher Michel
> Foucault) I, like Foucault, questioned the will to power and abuses of due
> process by those who wield power in Western, Post-Enlightenment European/N.
> American societies.
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> For the most part, this essay went unacknowledged, or attacked with blanket
> condemnation without actually engaging the argument itself.
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> Neo-classical responded favorably and exhorted others to spend more time
> actually reading such scholarship. Thank you. With a BA from the #10
> ranked liberal arts college in the USA (Davidson), two master's degrees from
> the #4 ranked university (Duke) and 3 years of PhD studies in ethics from
> the #18 ranked university (Notre Dame), it is refreshing to know that at
> least someone using the internet has not just sold his/her soul to marketing
> gurus, but actually tries to engage scholarship at its highest level.
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> While noting neo-classical's favorable response, sadly, however, the abuse
> of democratic process that I have noticed in this forum (i.e. trying to bar
> positions that one disagrees with), could also be seen in the recent
> elections. On 7 November 2006, I served as the Clerk of Elections for
> Precinct 285 in Pinellas County (Pinellas Park, FL, not too far from the
> Terri Shiavo state-enforced death by starvation of a handi-capped woman
> happened).
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> During the day's Electoral proceedings, Democrats and Republicans worked
> together, and were all duly committed to ensuring due process within the
> elections. All went smoothly, with the exception of one lady, a
> governmental employee who wanted the "rules to be bent" just because she
> worked for the government. Finally, after arguing publicly in front of the
> entire electoral staff, she stormed out of the building.
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> Therefore, similar to the 2000 Presidential Elections in which lawyers were
> seeking to overturn the duly appointed democratic results of the Election,
> so also was this a case of some people thinking that they are somehow "above
> the law" just because they work for the government.
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> This is not a liberal issue, nor is it a conservative issue. For example,
> one fellow Republican poll worker wanted to openly discuss the need for
> Christian Government, a position that I agree with, but one in which I
> remained silent so as to uphold the non-partisan nature of the proceedings
> (assuming of course that Republicans hold a larger demographic base among
> the Christians of America).
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> My hope and prayer is that the ones who have been "appointed" to this
> on-line (non-regulated) forum will at least strive to uphold the principles
> of democracy of the nation and nations that they claim fidelity to. My
> fear, however, is that this forum is quickly becoming nothing more than a
> pawn of the most liberal wing of the Democratic Party.
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> Sincerely,
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> Rob J King, citizen of the Republic of the United States of America
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> CH Rob J. King, M.Div., Th.M., Ph.D. (ABD*)
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> Chaplain, AR-MEDCOM
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> Professor of Bible and Christian Ministry Grand Canyon University-Online
> Abiding Life Christian Ministries--Phoenix & Tampa Bay
> Ministry Home Page:
> http://abidinglifephoenix.com/default.aspx
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> Ministry E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "I will bless those who bless you . . . and in you all the families of the
> earth shall be blessed." --Genesis 12:3
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