Well it's your prerogative to choose to only use it only for creative
purposes. I enjoy that too ;-)
But we're all free to use Camping as we see fit - there is no right or
wrong way.
So I feel that inclusion and freedom to build anything is maybe part of
my view of the "philosophy".
I wonder how Yoda would put this in his own word ... :-)
Philippe (@techarch)
On 8/23/2010 8:27 PM, Bluebie wrote:
My attitude towards using camping for serious business mostly stems
from being burnt by rails. I practice coding as an extension of
creativity, not as a job, and rails has enormous hosting costs for
someone with no income. I initially started using camping as it could
run well as a CGI script on the cheapest grungeist web hosts.
Capitalistic forces have largely taken over the once gloriously
creative practice of hacking, and turned it in to little more than
data entry jobs, with all it's best practices, unit tests, and all the
rest. Camping to me is special because it's all about creation, and
not about fitting in to a certain task or "market". This is entirely
self destructive though in the long term for businesses too, as tools
which are unusable by the poor are tools which are unusable in the
future. Students don't have software dollars. Though as an open source
project we owe nothing to capitalism. We have no business propping up
commerce.
Rails is a great tool for building medium to large business
applications and so my preference is that we entirely ignore that
which drives 'marketed' frameworks, and focus on what we're really
good at — making fun awesome hacks, and teaching the next generations.
Little doodads for the sake of themselves. Thoughts? :)
—
Jenna / @Bluebie
On 24/08/2010, at 11:47 AM, Philippe Monnet <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I am not sure I can even try to get close to the "philosophy" as I
consider myself still a newcomer to Camping. So I am missing a lot of
the background on Camping (even though I have read quite a few
materials, books, posts, videos, etc. about _why's contributions.
For me, I love Camping because:
� - it is small
� - the code is crazy clever and taught me a lot about things I did
not know about Ruby metaprogramming
�- the MVC structure help me structure my thoughts and apps
�- it is very extensible once you figure out the extensibility
points you need
�- creating all sorts of apps or services is really fun and enjoyable
�- you can build some decent size/complexity apps if you try (I
don't subscribe to the analogy about the "dark side" as I feel
Camping is about freedom to build whatever you want)
�- you can either use it for play or for work (that tends to happen
if you like it so much you want everything to be built with it.
�- it can capture your imagination in terms of what you could use
it for (e.g. the fun/play/learn sandbox idea)
Philippe (@techarch)
PS -I have deployed apps on Heroku and will help with the deployment
section of the book
�
On 8/23/2010 3:05 AM, Jenna Fox wrote:
The camping website (new one) includes a link to a not-existant wiki page
called 'Philosophy', which was inherited from Judofyr's version. I keep meaning
to create this article, but I'm increasingly wondering...
What do we all feel is Camping's philosophy?
My take: Camping is all about hacking and exploring and having fun, and
certainly isn't serious business. I think it's also for newbies, including
kids, because that's what nearly all of _why's projects were for.
But that's very past tense. I'm not sure anymore. What do you all see camping
as being? What's it's purpose for you?
�
Jenna
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