Sounds great. Let me know if you need any camping.io subdomains for your projects. That goes for all of you!
— Jenna On Thursday, 29 March 2012 at 11:54 AM, david costa wrote: > Hello Jenna, > apologizes for the misunderstanding ! must be the late hour here in Zurich :) > I am 100% in agreement with the idea: if someone is not happy about something > should just roll his/her sleeves and code it/provide it to the project. > Didn't meant to criticize your current camping setup. You and Magnus did a > great job. I like your design (even if some people don't) as to me a design > has to be unique and original and yours really is. > > My only fear was - am I doing something that people might want or is really > useless ? This is also why I emailed you off list before starting the > screencasting idea :) > > You probably have some mind reading skills ;) as I was really thinking about > the camping FREE hosting (with less limitations than heroku and perhaps > easier or with more DBs options) > Unfortunately my sysadmin is currently under a lot of work as we are moving > several severs to SSD drivers (a similar setup would be really cool for DB > powered camping applications as MySQL 5.6 on SSD is just amazingly fast) but > eventually he might find the time to do it in a not too distant future. > > > So bottom line: will go ahead with the 6-7 screencasts (Isak is doing it) and > we take it from there. Absolutely fine to show them (if you and the community > like them) on tumblr or even in a static page. It doesn't really matter in > the end ! IF in parallel I manage to do something decent in camping while the > screencasts are done will host it myself as a proof of concepts and see how > it is. > > Of course everyone can contribute. I would say a good way to gather many > examples by the community (existing or future users) could be this: after the > screencasts we can try to run a "camping" coding marathon - competition. We > can have 3 prizes and we can let people (or a jury) vote for the most > original idea / usage. Prizes could be something like a tablet and/or other > IT gears. With a bit of advertising it could be successful. I do welcome > any comment on this. > > Thanks again and sorry for the misunderstanding > Best Regards > David > > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Jenna Fox <a...@creativepony.com > (mailto:a...@creativepony.com)> wrote: > > David, that's not at all what I meant. > > > > We don't have any dynamic content right now, so there is no point running > > it as if it were a dynamic site right now. That could be changed in a > > matter of hours if we did add something dynamic, like a forum. I'm not sure > > how a screencast would relate to a dynamic website, and I was certainly not > > suggesting a tumblr log would be the most ideal way to showcase screencasts > > - just that it is compatible with all sorts of media as a way of responding > > to questions with visual as well as textual answers. I'm more than happy > > for anyone to implement grand ideas for the camping website. Github Pages > > is just what we're using at the moment because static pages has been > > everything we need recently. I'd love to see camping have a great site. If > > you'd like to make one, go ahead! You have complete freedom - feel free to > > use any of the assets of our current website (it's up at > > <https://github.com/camping/camping.io/tree/gh-pages> ) - There really is > > no thought leader of camping to convince of anything. If you want to do > > something, lets do it! No matter how cooky or unusual. > > > > One of the things I wanted to do for a while was create a free camping web > > host, ala dotgeek, with a very simple file-based key-value database and the > > option of sqlite. Unfortunately time has gotten the better of me for that > > project, but I still think it'd be totally awesome to do! Sandboxing and > > security issues I'm not too sure about, which is one of the setbacks for > > that project. > > > > Judofyr's been working on a tool for assembling a better camping book, but > > I'm not sure if he's still working on that. > > > > > > — > > Jenna > > > > > > On Thursday, 29 March 2012 at 10:36 AM, david costa wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > I am a bit at a loss :) Really I don't see how we can promote a camping > > > with screencast and examples e.g. even a blog example when we are then > > > essentially saying that it would be pointless anyway for camping to code > > > a blog as there is tumblr (or you name it, wordpress, blogger etc.). > > > Isn't the point of coding/camping to experiment, let the imagination run > > > wild while building something cool (not just a blog of course) ? > > > > > > I don't think that a totally static website is necessarily a good thing. > > > It is very limiting and creates a single way to dialogue with > > > existing/future users which can be done in a number of ways even without > > > the forum (e.g. fetching displaying the mailing list, allow comments on > > > certain topics, Q&A etc.). Sure you can do that with tumblr and pretty > > > well but in my humble opinion that's not the best way to promote the > > > framework. > > > > > > But hey what do I know ? I just finished reading "Running Sinatra" and > > > they do the very same thing in their sample blog (last chapter). They > > > tell you how to create a sinatra app where you do not have an online > > > editor and all it does it to create static HTML files. I thought WOW why > > > would I go and install, learn the sinatra way if this is the display of > > > what I can do with it ? Nothing wrong with static html. I have a blog > > > with static files too (but hey at least I have disqus comments embedded > > > on each files so there is a way to communicate with users + rsync and > > > other stuff ) and you know..it is 15 lines of bash code. It does exactly > > > the same of that Sinatra app from the book without having to run or > > > install anything. > > > > > > So I really don't get it I think ! > > > > > > Will see how I can progress with the screencasts but making them to > > > display them on a tumblr blog is not exactly very motivating. Perhaps I > > > got caught by the enthusiasm too quickly - my bad! > > > Best Wishes > > > David > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Jenna Fox <a...@creativepony.com > > > (mailto:a...@creativepony.com)> wrote: > > > > I just don't see the point in creating our own elaborate infrastructure > > > > which we then have to maintain indefinitely, which is more complicated > > > > than static files. Our site is static html right now because there's > > > > nothing about the site which is dynamic - but those static files were > > > > rendered by a camping app which I just mirrored to static files > > > > recently using wget so we could switch things over to github pages. > > > > Unless there's going to be some dynamic element to the camping site, > > > > I'd rather the stability and scalability afforded to us by github pages > > > > and static files than some token ritual of dogfooding. Both the sites > > > > of Ruby on Rails and Sinatra seem to use caching servers between their > > > > users and ruby backends, with sinatra's in particular caching responses > > > > for many hours. I think we're winning the ruby race - our cache caches > > > > for days, even weeks! It's a really smart cache. > > > > > > > > As for forums, I'm interested, and I agree it would be best done as a > > > > camping app, if for no better reason that there isn't really any good > > > > free forum software still being maintained which runs on ruby, as far > > > > as I know. For our blog though, tumblr is great. It's had very little > > > > downtime in recent weeks. I think it's worth forgiving them - their > > > > user base became something like ten times as big in the space of one > > > > day, after their collaboration with the The Colbert Report - for a site > > > > which takes photo, music, and video uploads, that's a pretty > > > > substantial change. They seem to have sorted it out now, only having > > > > very minor blips from time to time. Further, tumblr is based on the > > > > tumblog concept, which was pioneered and named by none other than our > > > > former friend Why The Lucky Stiff, and itself does run on our close > > > > relative, Ruby On Rails. In fact, a large proportion of GitHub is a > > > > Rails app too. > > > > > > > > — > > > > Jenna > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, 29 March 2012 at 6:29 AM, david costa wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Jenna this is great ! > > > > > let's see how the screencasts come along then you can see. Just one > > > > > point about tumblr (which is good don't get me wrong) wouldn't it be > > > > > better to have a small site on camping ? I am pretty excited to build > > > > > this in camping and show the screencasts inside it. Of course will > > > > > need to show code not nice words only ;) but this should be the final > > > > > aim. > > > > > > > > > > I am not asking anyone to do it/code it etc. I am just saying this > > > > > should be the ultimate goal because with no camping code in > > > > > production people might think this is just a quick hack just for the > > > > > fun of it with not much of a real use beside a proof of concept... > > > > > which is a bit of a pity. > > > > > > > > > > Like there are hundreds of frameworks on git, google code etc. but > > > > > how many can be bothered to try them out without having some working > > > > > samples or a good site (and I really like your design !!) to show how > > > > > is this working ? > > > > > > > > > > For example there is some activity in the mailing list so it could be > > > > > something nice to show on the website (like this topic at > > > > > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.camping.general/1648) > > > > > but of course within the site and not an external link. This could > > > > > be enough while there is no forum etc. > > > > > > > > > > On another note tumblr is not exactly very stable ! > > > > > > > > > > *this said* I totally see your point as you have this functionality > > > > > already on tumblr so if one wants to be up and quickly with something > > > > > it is certainly better than any bigger but uncoded masterplan :) > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Jenna Fox <a...@creativepony.com > > > > > (mailto:a...@creativepony.com)> wrote: > > > > > > We have a tumblr blog - maybe we should turn on the 'ask' feature > > > > > > and make it a Q and A thing. It would grow in to a google friendly > > > > > > fact book, a bit like a stack exchange, for looking up specific > > > > > > problems and techniques. Tumblr is a nice medium for adding photos > > > > > > and screencasts and the likes too. > > > > > > > > > > > > — > > > > > > Jenna Fox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, 29 March 2012 at 12:22 AM, Paul van Tilburg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 06:57:51AM -0600, Philippe Monnet wrote: > > > > > > > > I think it would be fun too. Love meta stuff. > > > > > > > > In general I think the more tutorials / screencasts / posts / > > > > > > > > sites > > > > > > > > on Camping, the merrier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although I generally agree, I'd prefer them to be somewhat > > > > > > > organised/structured. For example, the blog is a good basic app, > > > > > > > but I would like to have tutorials for specific things such as: > > > > > > > adding cookies, sessions, using different view/template systems, > > > > > > > integrating multiple apps, etc. Rather than having a screencast > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > "wiki" app that happens to mention sessions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my opinion the Camping site should answer questions/help out > > > > > > > with different aspects of creating/extending/maintaining a Camping > > > > > > > application. This is something that currently requires joining > > > > > > > #camping on IRC, asking the question and waiting for a long time. > > > > > > > (Not there that is anything whatsover wrong with our IRC-channel. > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > Camping-list mailing list > > > > > > > > Camping-list@rubyforge.org (mailto:Camping-list@rubyforge.org) > > > > > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Web: http://paul.luon.net/home/ | E-mail: p...@luon.net > > > > > > > (mailto:p...@luon.net) > > > > > > > Jabber/GTalk: p...@luon.net (mailto:p...@luon.net) | GnuPG key > > > > > > > ID: 0x50064181 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Camping-list mailing list > > > > > > > Camping-list@rubyforge.org (mailto:Camping-list@rubyforge.org) > > > > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Camping-list mailing list > > > > > > Camping-list@rubyforge.org (mailto:Camping-list@rubyforge.org) > > > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Camping-list mailing list > > > > > Camping-list@rubyforge.org (mailto:Camping-list@rubyforge.org) > > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Camping-list mailing list > > > > Camping-list@rubyforge.org (mailto:Camping-list@rubyforge.org) > > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Camping-list mailing list > > > Camping-list@rubyforge.org (mailto:Camping-list@rubyforge.org) > > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Camping-list mailing list > > Camping-list@rubyforge.org (mailto:Camping-list@rubyforge.org) > > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > > _______________________________________________ > Camping-list mailing list > Camping-list@rubyforge.org (mailto:Camping-list@rubyforge.org) > http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/camping-list > >
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