In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adrian Stott 
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>Martin Phillips
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adrian Stott
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
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>>>It is appropriate to have a charge related to size only where, er,
>>>size matters.  To have one where size does not matter would be like
>>>charging people with red hair more for cinema tickets than those with
>>>other colours.
>>
>>A logical statement, but akin to the argument of poll tax vs council
>>tax. Both are logical ways of funding local government, and both have
>>their positive points. In the same way as with houses, very crudely, the
>>size of boat might be supposed to have a rough correlation with ability
>>to pay.
>
>First, why should navigation charges be related to ability to pay.
>Whose ability (owner? user? hirer?).  Do you expect better-off people
>to pay more for cinema tickets?  They use the same seats as the worse
>off, you know.

There are a number of good reasons.

Firstly (and cheekily!), all (or at least most) other users pay for the 
canals via their taxes which are to a large extent related to ability to 
pay.

Secondly, in a period of transition where a government organisation is 
greatly increasing its prices from what might or might not be argued to 
be too low a base, it is reasonable to help those who find themselves in 
difficulties by tweaking the pricing policy where possible - not by 
means testing or anything difficult like that, but if charging per metre 
or metre^2 rather than per boat gives a help to those to whom the 
increases are giving most difficulty it seems reasonable to act in that 
manner.

Thirdly, I believe that cinemas do have a crude means of charging by 
ability to pay - cheaper seats for children, students, UB40s are I think 
common (I seldom go to the cinema so may be wrong in this example) - 
possibly less so in the private sector, but more commonly in the public 
sector (e.g. museums, art galleries, etc). I recall getting very cheap 
seats for Covent Garden Opera House as a student.

>Second, the size of boat is not usefully correlated with ability to
>pay.  The largest craft tend to be used for residence, and so
>represent a significantly larger proportion of the owner's total
>wealth than that of the strictly recreational vessel.  And anyone who
>owns a large craft knows that its maintenance is very effective at
>reducing his wealth.

As I said, a crude measure. One could of course argue that boats used 
for residential purposes are saving their owners a large amount in 
mortgages etc. Even a seriously expensive narrowboat is cheaper than the 
most basic of houses. Without any statistics to back me up, I still 
think that there would be a good correlation between boat size and 
owner's income. New boats are priced per metre, second-hand ones tend to 
follow that rule. Residential boats form a rather small fraction of 
waterways users.

>Finally, I think that neither poll tax nor council tax is a logical
>way of funding local government, but this is probably not the place to
>discuss that (much).

Seconded :-)

Wassail!
-- 
Martin E Phillips      http://www.g4cio.demon.co.uk
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