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On Thursday 29 June 2006 13:31, Kaloyan Raev wrote:
> Hi Reinier, 
> 
> Thanks for the framework hints. 
> I will take a look about these two. 
> 
> I am evaluating different frameworks following these criteria: 
>   - gpl-compatible license, because Care2x is under gpl
>   - good backbone in the project - there should be more than one or two
> developers and also well-known company. This ensures the quality and
> stability. 
>   - future of the project - I don't want to use a framework that will
> die in year or two (or has already died). 
> 
> At the moment the best I could find is Zend Framework. It lacks lots of
> features yet, but surely it evolves very fast. 
> 
> Yes, you are right that we have to introduce changes one by one. This is
> why I want first to build an independent prototype, see how it looks
> like and then find way how to integrate it in Care2x. 
> 
> PHP5 compatibility is definitely the first step. This will open many
> doors. Then for example we can abandon adodb and build the db access on
> top of framework classes like Zend_Db, then refactor user input for
> security (Zend_InputFilter), then session, authorisation, MVC
> architecture that will open widely the door for Ajax. And at some point
> in time - extension points. 
> 
> Greetings
> Kaloyan
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 13:00 +0300, Reinier Battenberg wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Have you been looking at specific frameworks already? I came across a
> > few:
> > 
> > - http://www.xaraya.com Very big CMS framework, very difficult, very
> > powerfull. Includes:
> >     - user & group management
> >     - 'Extention points' (called hooks)
> >     - dynamic fields
> >     - related objects
> >     - multilingual
> >     - completely MVC
> > 
> > - http://www.symfony-project.com/ Also MVC framework, more low-level.
> > Generates a lot of code.
> >     - Used to built an application from scratch
> >     - generates code based on your object definitions
> >     - lets you code only the business rules, update/insert/delete is
> > done for you
> >     - very ajax!
> > 
> > My knowledge here is limited. Are there any more projects that we
> > could leverage from (learn or use, both is possible). Somehow it
> > worries me that we are discussing things that need a total rewrite. Is
> > there any way that we can plan a step-by-step appoach? Like, first we
> > do php5, then adodb, then change the security-model to let modules
> > work together (referring to kaloyans prevous email), then introduction
> > of extention points).
> > and this all without braking too many current installations.
> > 
> > rgds,
> > 
> > Reinier
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kaloyan Raev wrote: 
> > > Hi Amel,
> > > 
> > > What I described was just high level idea. Now I have to dig in the
> > > technical details how this can be implemented as php web framework.
> > > Hopefully, soon I will have some prototype for demonstration. 
> > > 
> > > Translation is another story. There are many guidelines how to make good
> > > language table, but I haven't investigated time to research them and to
> > > compare with the care2x i18n. 
> > > 
> > > But, yes, you raise the problem of the language tables and refactoring
> > > has to be planned for the next major version that will fit everyone
> > > needs. 
> > > 
> > > Greetings
> > > Kaloyan
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 11:12 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >   
> > > > hello to all, 
> > > >         wonderfull idea. We can take Person Registration for example,
> > > > You can manage that step. We in Croatia can make plugin for Croatia,
> > > > now the problem her in Croatia is that we are changed almost
> > > > everything...Database, Layout....and now we are out of main care2x
> > > > project. And this is not ok.  
> > > >         You Kaloyan, if You have time, can give us some more
> > > > information how and where from can we start devolping that plugin. 
> > > > 
> > > >         And finally, reason why we are changed layout is because
> > > > language. For us only 30% of language table was good. Everthing else
> > > > we have changed in PHP code. Do you maybe have some solutions for
> > > > that. Because we don't want to change core care2x  classes. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thank you very much, 
> > > >         Amel Jakupovic
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