Hello all,
This is really great. I'm currently working on upgrading as well and am
waiting to hear back from mathworks for a quote for the Fixed Point Designer
(the FP toolbox + FP simulink). The reason I'm upgrading is to be able to use
the new PFB modules because they use significantly less FPGA resources than the
2009 versions.
Thanks Andrew for looking into this!
-Louis
> On Sep 25, 2013, at 8:37, Nimish Sane <nimishs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Andrew! Would you know approximately how much time it would take for
> you to look into this? Meanwhile, would you know the latest commit that does
> not use fi, and hence, does not need Floating-point toolbox?
>
> On a separate, yet related note, I find that recent product versions only
> have Fixed-point designer Toolbox (instead of floating point toolbox +
> Simulink floating point). Is this a correct understanding?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nimish
>
>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:24 AM, David MacMahon <dav...@astro.berkeley.edu>
>> wrote:
>> Thanks, Andrew!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:13 PM, Andrew Martens wrote:
>>
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > I do use the fi constructor to generate fixed point values when generating
>> > twiddle values for storage.
>> >
>> > I will see if it can be done in another way as it seems wasteful to
>> > require a license just for that.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Andrew
>> >
>> >
>> >> Thanks, Nimish,
>> >>
>> >> Looking at the recently updated casper-astro repository, the following
>> >> mask init scripts use the "fi" function (technically a "constructor", I
>> >> think) to crete fixed point objects:
>> >>
>> >> casper_library/cosin_init.m
>> >> casper_library/feedback_osc_init.m
>> >> casper_library/pfb_fir_coeff_gen_init.m
>> >>
>> >> Any block that uses the scripts (e.g. via sub-blocks) will probably need
>> >> a Fixed Point Toolbox license. I suspect it wouldn't be too difficult to
>> >> rewrite these files in a way that maintain the functionality, but avoids
>> >> the "fi" (and any related) call(s).
>> >>
>> >> It looks like Andrew Martens introduced at least some of the "fi"
>> >> dependencies, so maybe he would be willing to redo the relevant bits of
>> >> these files?
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> On Sep 24, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Nimish Sane wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Some more investigation:
>> >>>
>> >>> I am seeing these messages:
>> >>>
>> >>> License checkout failed.
>> >>> License Manager Error -5
>> >>> Cannot find a license for Fixed_Point_Toolbox.
>> >>>
>> >>> Troubleshoot this issue by visiting:
>> >>> http://www.mathworks.com/support/lme/R2012b/5
>> >>>
>> >>> Diagnostic Information:
>> >>> Feature: Fixed_Point_Toolbox
>> >>> License path:
>> >>> /home/observer/.matlab/R2012b_licenses:/home/observer/tools/MATLAB/R2012b/licenses/license.dat:/home/observer/tools/MATLAB/R2012b/licenses/license_fpgadev_277254_R2012b.lic
>> >>> Licensing error: -5,357.
>> >>> Simulink:Masking:Bad_Init_Commands: Error in
>> >>> 'fft_wideband_real_core/fft_wideband_real/fft_direct/butterfly0_0/twiddle/coeff_gen/feedback_osc':
>> >>> Initialization commands cannot be evaluated.
>> >>> Backtrace 1: reuse_block:138
>> >>> Backtrace 2: coeff_gen_init:498
>> >>> Backtrace 3: reuse_block:51
>> >>> Backtrace 4: add_convert_init:496
>> >>> Backtrace 5: draw_basic_partial_cycle:407
>> >>> Backtrace 6: cosin_init:165
>> >>> Backtrace 7: xlUpdateIcon:207
>> >>> Backtrace 8: xlBlockLoadCallback:79
>> >>> Backtrace 9: UpdateDiagramCB:221
>> >>>
>> >>> If I turn OFF the option "Generate coeffs with multipliers where
>> >>> useful", these messages do not appear. Still, I get the following error:
>> >>> Error in
>> >>> 'fft_wideband_real_core/fft_wideband_real/fft_biplex_real_4x/biplex_core/fft_stage_10/butterfly_direct/twiddle/coeff_gen':
>> >>> Initialization commands cannot be evaluated.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Caused by:
>> >>> Error in
>> >>> 'fft_wideband_real_core/fft_wideband_real/fft_biplex_real_4x/biplex_core/fft_stage_10/butterfly_direct/twiddle/coeff_gen/cosin':
>> >>> Initialization commands cannot be evaluated.
>> >>>
>> >>> Unable to check out a license for the Fixed-Point Toolbox.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I will let you know if I find something more.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Nimish
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:36 PM, David MacMahon
>> >>> <dav...@astro.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>> >>> Thanks. I was hoping to narrow it down a little more than that.
>> >>> There's a lot of stuff inside that little green block!
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Nimish Sane wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> To be precise, that is the only green block in the design apart from
>> >>>> bunch of gateway blocks and XSG block (as I am black boxing it).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nimish
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Nimish Sane <nimishs...@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> The design only has fft_wideband_real block, and whenever I click
>> >>>> "Apply/Ok" or "Update Diagram", I get these error messages. These are
>> >>>> the only error messages I see in Matlab window. So it is definitely the
>> >>>> fft_wideband_real block.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nimish
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:30 PM, David MacMahon
>> >>>> <dav...@astro.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>> >>>> Thanks, Nimish,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Is there any other info that might help pinpoint which block and/or
>> >>>> init script is causing Matlab to look for a Fixed_Point_Tollbox license?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Dave
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Nimish Sane wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> License checkout failed.
>> >>>>> License Manager Error -5
>> >>>>> Cannot find a license for Fixed_Point_Toolbox.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Troubleshoot this issue by visiting:
>> >>>>> http://www.mathworks.com/support/lme/R2012b/5
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Diagnostic Information:
>> >>>>> Feature: Fixed_Point_Toolbox
>> >>>>> License path:
>> >>>>> /home/observer/.matlab/R2012b_licenses:/home/observer/tools/MATLAB/R2012b/licenses/license.dat:/home/observer/tools/MATLAB/R2012b/licenses/license_fpgadev_277254_R2012b.lic
>> >>>>> Licensing error: -5,357.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Nimish
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM, David MacMahon
>> >>>>> <dav...@astro.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>> >>>>> Hi, Nimish,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> What error messages are you getting?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>> Dave
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Nimish Sane wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> A question related to this:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Like Glenn, we never had Fixed point toolboxes (Fixed point Toolbox
>> >>>>>> and Simulink Fixed point) installed, and still were able to compile
>> >>>>>> our correlator designs using 11.5 and Matlab2009b.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I recently upgraded to ISE 14.5 with Matlab 2012b as well as upgraded
>> >>>>>> libraries to the latest version of casper-astro/mlib_devel. Even in
>> >>>>>> the current installation, we do not have Fixed point toolboxes (names
>> >>>>>> have changed to Fixed-point designer Toolbox, Simulink Fixed-point as
>> >>>>>> Jonathan has mentioned).
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The current fft_wideband_real block has some differences compared to
>> >>>>>> the older version that I was using so far and it seems it now
>> >>>>>> requires Fixed-point Toolbox. I am getting errors that this
>> >>>>>> particular toolbox has not been installed. I am not sure if there are
>> >>>>>> other blocks that give similar errors. Does anyone have any
>> >>>>>> experience with this and provide some insight as to how to deal with
>> >>>>>> this situation?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Specifically,
>> >>>>>> (1) Is there any way to use the latest fft_wideband_real block
>> >>>>>> without Fixed-point Toolboxes? (Glenn, have you tried this?)
>> >>>>>> (2) Does one have to install both the Fixed-point toolboxes
>> >>>>>> (Fixed-point designer Toolbox, Simulink Fixed-point) or just the
>> >>>>>> Fixed-point designer Toolbox?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> (I have attached lists of toolboxes in our previous and current
>> >>>>>> installation.)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Nimish
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:20 PM, G Jones <glenn.calt...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> As one data point I'm successfully compiling designs w/o the fixed
>> >>>>>> point toolboxes. I haven't tried simulating a large design which is
>> >>>>>> where it's claimed to be needed with busses wider than 53 bits or
>> >>>>>> whatever it is
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sep 17, 2013 7:15 PM, "Jonathan Weintroub"
>> >>>>>> <jweintr...@cfa.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hi fellow CASPERians,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> This is a question that comes up periodically. At SAO we are now
>> >>>>>> paying full fare for Matlab licenses so the cost impact of an
>> >>>>>> imperfect understanding can be significant.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The latest MSSGE wiki page is:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> https://casper.berkeley.edu/wiki/MSSGE_Setup_with_Xilinx_14.5_and_Matlab_2012b
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> However this page does not mention Matlab optional components
>> >>>>>> (historically termed toolboxes and blocksets).
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> There are clues in an earlier setup page:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> https://casper.berkeley.edu/wiki/MSSGE_Toolflow_Setup
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> from which it appears one needs something like:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Fixed-Point Toolbox
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Signal Processing Blockset
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Signal Processing Toolbox
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Simulink Fixed Point
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Each time I buy a new license I iterate on these components with the
>> >>>>>> Matlab distributer. The terminology changes year by year and I am
>> >>>>>> currently being quoted on the following components, in addition to
>> >>>>>> the base Matlab and Simulink distributions:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> SIGNAL PROCESSING TOOLBOX, V2013A
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> SIMULINK FIXED POINT, V2012B
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> DSP SYSTEM TOOLBOX, V2013A
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> FIXED-POINT DESIGNER TOOLBOX, V2013A,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> (sorry about the all-caps which pasted in directly from the
>> >>>>>> quotation).
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> So it is still four components, but the names have changed. The term
>> >>>>>> blockset seems to have evolved out in favor of toolbox, one of the
>> >>>>>> "signal processing"s has morphed into "DSP", and the fixed point
>> >>>>>> toolbox now has "designer". Appropriately enough the price for this
>> >>>>>> latter "designer" component alone has more than doubled in a year to
>> >>>>>> over $2k per seat.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Having set the scene, my two questions are:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 1. Are we ordering the right components?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> 2. Do we really need all these components?
>> >>>>>> (At one point I seem to recall hearing the fixed point stuff is to
>> >>>>>> some extent optional, though the ability to simulate properly at the
>> >>>>>> Simulink level is important to us.)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Subject to confirmation from the tool flow experts, I will be happy
>> >>>>>> to update the wiki notes with current information.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Jonathan
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> <installed-tools>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
