I have used LLBL in the past before discovering NH. LLBL is a great tool for RAD development. The support is excellent, and the tools that come with the framework itself are great.
So why would I move away from LLBL 1. unit testing and TDD. now it could also be I'm new to unit testing, TDD, etc. but the LLBL framework would get in the way of writing a unit test. 2. LLBL Entities require extranious members/inheritance that has nothing to do with my Domain. While moving towards DDD I found LLBL to add noise to the domain. 3. LLBL requires a database schema to generate the domain. I have really enjoyed the power of designing the database around the domain for greenfield projects. And the ability to map legacy DBs to a rich domain is great. LLBL definitely has a place in development. I consider it the "gateway" framework to escaping the DataSet nighmare. it was for me anyway. In closing. I find LLBL is database centric while NH/AR is domain centric. On Apr 7, 2:53 pm, novnov <[email protected]> wrote: > Wayne thank you it does help. LLBLGEN is one of the most commonly > praised ORMs, and I'd be curious to hear why you've moved to AR/NH? As > you say, tradeoffs on both sides, but I'd be curious to hear your > thoughts. > > Frankly I think we could use as much hand holding as possible. But the > Active Record examples are pretty straightforward. I am not sure how > versed in NHibernate we would need to become, that's a concern. > > Has anyone here checked out Entity Framework? > > I can see ORMs being a huge aid. We just never got exposure...so it's > more of a learning curve thing. We're effecient at what we do now, and > starting from zilch on a new stack is always a time drain at the > start. > > We're so new to flex that I'm afraid I can't offer you too much on > that. .Net and flex seem to go well together. > > On Apr 7, 2:10 am, Wayne Douglas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hey > > > First comment: > > > >So far we've been able to keep clear of ORMs > > > You make it sound like you've been trying to stay away from ORMs!!! ORM > > isn't a bad thing you need to stear clear of! Honestly :) > > > Second: > > > I come from an LLBLGEN background and have recently switched to AR/NH - to > > be honest - they both have their pros and cons but are both a million miles > > better than writting your own code for the purpose. They will both work with > > whatever .NET/CLI language you want. AR is about as simple as you'd want it > > and the only downer about everything being in C# is that if your guys aren't > > used to C# they may find some of the examples a bit foreign. > > > As a side - what's the workflow like working with flex in a .net > > environment? I've thought about this doing a few times. > > > hth > > > w:// > > > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 8:31 PM, novnov <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > This is really a scattershot question because I have little exposure > > > to ORMs and only vaguely formulated requirements. > > > > Some background...I like postgresql a lot and also use sql server and > > > oracle. I/we are usually responsible for all of the parts of an app, > > > from the rdbms to the user interface. We do a lot on Windows with .net > > > (visual basic) but are getting exposure to flex on the interface side > > > of things. So far we've been able to keep clear of ORMs and code > > > generators. > > > > A project is coming up which will need be be deployed against both > > > postgresql and oracle (different deploys). This may be forcing us to > > > use an ORM so that the interface is more independent of the rdbms. > > > > Is NHibernate and maybe Castle Project Active Record a good solution > > > for our needs? The ORM would not have to be open source, ie we could > > > buy something. We want it to be as simple to pick up and use as > > > possible. We don't want to lose the ability to execute procs in > > > postgres and I'm worried that nhibernate has that limitation, as the > > > front page states that stored procedures are supported for sql server. > > > > Finally, is Active Record ok with visual basic? Most if not all of the > > > examples are in C#. > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > w://- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Castle Project Users" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
