ok, well, yeah, well, okay. I'll give it a try but

1) can do that easily too wit a bo-lyn
2) not getting this...with a Magic Bowline, you can tie it standing on your head and attach it anywhere in about 0.75 seconds
3) same with the Magic Bowline
4) I gotta try that!!! never had one open no where no howl.

great stuff thanks Ralph.

tf
btw, fwiw, the magic bowline (also called the flip-over bowline) is just a short cut way of tying a bowline by making a slip knot (with the running end providing the protruding loop) and then inserting the bitter end thru the loop and pulling the knot tight...it'll
"flip over" into to a boh-lyn


Ralph E. Ahseln wrote:
TF,

Several things..

1. You can slip it up close and personal to the clew..(don't be mislead by the long Bitter End in the photo, it can be very compact and short) 2. You can Tie it while standing behind the clew..( Unless one is Very Expert in knot tying, You have to turn backwards) 3. Most folks tie a Bowline with a BIG loop ..(that Loop and know attached wraps around the shroud.. A small hitch is more likely to pop over it) 4. The Bowline is very insecure ( No matter what salty types say,, The bowline was designed for Hemp ..Not for Man Made fiber.. I believe Climbers would never use a Bowline) One can "Shake out" a Bowline pretty easily.. Tie one, hold the Standing Part vertical above the knot and Shake up and down.. Often it will FALL apart.

The only way I would tie a Bowline would be to Secure it by putting a Half Hitch in the bitter end or Whipping it to the standing part.

The Bowline IS good when one needs to tie a BIG LOOP.. such as a Man Overboard retrieval line.. But I sure would secure it before throwing it to a drowning man...


Whew, My head hurts

Ralph



----- Original Message ----- From: "tim ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: catalina27-talk: Ralph's Hitch...(was...winch stuff)


Ralph-man, refresh my mammary...in what way is this bulky looking mess-o-line Superior to
a Bow Line?

--tf







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