Yes, and I agree with Meena and Sandy, I find myself wonderfully informed by posts on these topics, I am only suggesting that discussion should lead to something.
I am sorry if I led anyone to believe that I don't think this subject was appropriate, especially as a catalyst. I look forward to reading any further information and opinion but I also hope that those people who offer comment will be able to participate in action. Linda Orkin On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Meena Haribal <m...@cornell.edu> wrote: > *Cayugabirds-L – Information and Rules***** > > **** > > Cayugabirds-L is an email list (the List) focused on the discussion of > birds and birding in the Finger Lakes Region, centered on the Cayuga Lake > Basin.**** > > **** > > The primary purpose of the List is to disseminate information about wild > bird sightings in and around the Finger Lakes Region in a timely manner and > to provide an effective electronic forum for Upstate New York area birders. > **** > > **** > > *Questions and limited discussion on topics such as bird behavior, > identification, conservation, and distribution, especially as these > subjects relate to wild birds in the Finger Lakes Region and the Cayuga > Lake Basin, are welcomed and encouraged. The List is not for the discussion > of pet birds.*** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* bounce-72561880-3493...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: > bounce-72561880-3493...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Sandy Podulka > *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 12:30 PM > *To:* CAYUGABIRDS-L > *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] purpose of the list serve.**** > > ** ** > > Personally, I find the debates and discussions about birds and bird > conservation among the most interesting postings on this listserv--and in > the long run, these issues are very important to our continued ability to > enjoy watching birds in this area (or anywhere), so they are quite relevant > to the listserv topic. > > Sandy Podulka > > At 12:10 PM 1/7/2013, you wrote: > > **** > > I totally agree with Linda that the Cayuga Birds List Serve is not the > arena for debates. I thought this site was for bird observations. > > > Dick Clements > > > > > *From:* Linda Orkin <wingmagi...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 11:43 AM > *To:* Meena Haribal <m...@cornell.edu> > *Cc:* CAYUGABIRDS-L <cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [cayugabirds-l] Birders & Hunters on Cayuga Lake > > Hey All, > > I would just like to reiterate that I think this subject is very worthy of > further discussion with knowledgeable people engaged in the pros and cons > of establishing some gun free zones around the lake shore. I do not > consider myself to be that knowledgeable person but I see from what has > already been offered here that there are many of you out there. > > The listserv will probably not be the best arena for this, as is already > apparent. Passions can run high on a subject like this. As passions can > escalate quickly on almost any conservation issue, land use issue, pet > freedom issue etc. > > Can some of us take steps to begin a face to face conversation and see > where this might take us? I am not sure if the Conservation Action > Committee of the Cayuga Bird Club would be a willing facilitator but I > think that might offer at least a venue. > > Perhaps interested people can communicate privately about next steps? > > Thanks. > > Linda Orkin > Cayuga Bird Club > > > > On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Meena Haribal <m...@cornell.edu> wrote:** > ** > > Hi all, **** > > **** > > First of all, after reading John?s post, when I suggested that CBC should > do something about hunting was not to stop hunting, but to designate some > locations on the lake to be free from being hunting locations, so both > birders and birds can enjoy some peace. **** > > **** > > Why is it wrong if birders feel that they love to have some locations free > of hunters and hunting? Don?t we think we also have same right as hunters > who think they would love to hunt in all areas? So come to a compromise!** > ** > > **** > > So what is wrong in making some good locations on Cayuga Lake bird and > birder friendly? **** > > **** > > Hunters can share some locations with us for our pleasure! I think number > of birders and hunters around Cayuga lake must be very similar if not > higher for birders. **** > > **** > > I think sport hunting is the one which bothers me, if you are hunting for > food then it is ok with me, but just for the pleasure of killing something > that definitely annoys me. If you are thinking of sports of hunting flying > objects, have some artificial targets or may be try some falling leaves or > some other similar targets. **** > > **** > > Sorry for bursting out like this, instead of working on the proposal!**** > > **** > > Meena **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > From: bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu > [mailto:bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu<bounce-72561577-3493...@list.cornell.edu>] > On Behalf Of Nari Mistry**** > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:53 AM**** > > To: CAYUGABIRDS-L**** > > Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Birders & Hunters on Cayuga Lake**** > > **** > > I strongly endorse the wise comments of Jody Enck & Ken Rosenberg asking > for restraint in advocating for a ban on duck hunting on Cayuga Lake. **** > > Birders tend to believe that we are a huge beneficial community that can > do no wrong. The reality is that the world looks at us with benign > amusement. To set ourselves up as "our viewpoint is best for everyone" is a > mistake. I am just as concerned about gunshots and disturbance of wildlife > and humans, but I don't think we can justify a ban.**** > > While bird conservation arguments may be useful, it does not appear to me > that waterfowl conservation is threatened by hunting on Cayuga Lake, as Ken > has pointed out. So the argument becomes just "my preference against > others'."**** > > Pushing for a ban on duck-hunting on the lake can easily be regarded by > hunters as the first step in trying to ban hunting in the fields and woods, > leading to acrimonious name-calling and the end of any good relationship > between birders and land-owners, hunters and "real" people.**** > > A much better course of action would be to have a dialog with duck-hunters > clubs and to explain the beneficial need for hunting away from shore and > avoiding deliberate disturbance and flushing of birds to gain an advantage. > **** > > I hope a reasonable course of action is chosen.**** > > Nari Mistry**** > > -- **** > > Nari B. 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